Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[Lame]

I somehow bothered to read the majority of the posts in this thread.

My comments:

1. This should've been TWL finals (fun reading);

2. I wonder why people keep talking about the bot which specced ease at 9/10 deaths. Why do we have a fucking referee? It's up to the referee of the game to say if something went wrong during the game or not. It shouldn't matter whether this was technically possible or not. Bots aren't sacred, don't treat them that way;

3. Pascone's example of the guy getting hit in the corner was actually interesting. Ease being able to kill someone and get subbed out while he dies on other computerscreens worldwide and thus getting subbed out with 10 deaths, looks not normal. But what would people say if Ease didn't get subbed out and just ate Chuckle's shot and survived because of that? Would that be so much different? I can understand the frustration of the people on Pirates, but I do kind of think the frustration is a bit out of proportion, whether this could or should be replayed or not. Maybe this is a bit off topic but if we can live with all the eating, the lag and being respawned multiple times into an arena surrounded by enemies (instead of some sort safe haven you can stay in for a few seconds before you get +1), I really wonder why there is so much blabla over a case like this.

4. Offtopic I guess but something that makes me wonder. What if the connection of a player dies and he gets + 1 and reaches 10 deaths while it's a close game. Does that deserve a replay? Blame the bot for giving him +1, even though the player didn't spec volunteerly? Where do we draw the line?



So, in short I don't know if there should be a replay or not. But I do doubt if this case deserves so many pages full with anger.

[Dameon Angell]

I saw the log.

At the same SECOND these things happened.
1. Ease got Killed
2. Ease got specced for 10 deaths
3. Ease got subbed for Ardour.

The only solution?

Saturday night 3 Round Shootout for win.

[Doc Flabby]

I wouldnt ever contest this. I'd say 'nice sub' and move on with it, because I've been a part of games where an extra death has come into play plenty in TWD. Its a part of the game everyone knows that. The sub delays and +1 lagouts imo came as a direct result from ignite and his PUMA squadron back in the day, who used to always run and spec (or sub) just to be faggots. At least, I remember them coming into effect right around the same time after much whining It's not going to ever be perfect and this isnt even a bot malfunction.

Ya I agree....i've played quite a few TWD games with this happening....Its not like its an unknown bug thats ONLY been around this season...this problem has been with us for years...

[Mattey]

And it only happens once out of every 10 seasons... seems like the perfect candidate for a rematch.

[Jones]

It's not difficult to read a very through explanation that I have already provided you. Needless to say, I'm going to explain it to you one more time seeing as you cannot seem to grasp what is a very simple programming concept. I'm saying he shouldn't have even been in the fucking game. He should have been sitting in spec and the bullet shouldn't have been able to hit a player that should have been in spec.

while technically if he wasn't even supposed to be in the game, chuckle shouldn't have died either, right?

it's all just milliseconds we are talking about here. i don't see any of you pulling out superior programming languages, or even server-times to adress any of this really. I asked a question earlier in the thread but it seems I should spam it to get it through, not to mention, no staff member have given me an explanation of another thread I created. jolly gee.

[Mattey]

If Ease didn't deserve to die (which he did) then Chuckle didn't deserve to die(which he did). Every single part of this debate points to a rematch.

[Pressure Drop]

seems like a bad decision to me

should’ve been a replay

would also put off caps now willingly trying to exploit this. The fact that ease died and was subbed giving an extra player with 1 death in a tight match I don’t think they could feel too harshly done by in a replay, otherwise sub quicker or don’t sub at all if your that confident of winning
-_-

[kthx]

Well I saw the official log yesterday and I can confirm that everything happened in the exact same second.

Chuckle Died,
Ease Died,
Ease was Subbed.

Not in any particular order.

[Draft]

I saw the log.

At the same SECOND these things happened.
1. Ease got Killed
2. Ease got specced for 10 deaths
3. Ease got subbed for Ardour.

real talk

[Capital Knockers]

Alright here we go.

Creature
Since hypothetically lag shouldn't exist, the correct action is to look at what is happening in REAL TIME

Don't know where you're from, but sadly lag does exist. As Mattey said, lag-wise, the bots are the closest damned thing to real time you're going to get on this game - and the bots said he died 10 times. I'll trust pure coding over a TWL-Ops connection anyday.

Mirr even said, jee maybe this is something we'll have to look into next season because it's a problem. Don't shuffle the problem along to another TWL-smod, or season. Fix it now, and replay the game, make the rule. Take some initiative for pete's sake, with all these people actively discussing this on the forums NOW - this is THE PERFECT time to discuss a new rule regarding this event, and make it fullproof. Why wait until 6 months down the line when half the people that witnessed this have either forgotten or stopped play?

[PjOtTeR]

Also, if we are so lame knockers, care to explain this?

http://twl.trenchwars.org/?x=showmatch&match=129

Well, as you can see acumo, the guy getting subbed was 4-10... while he should've been subbed while he was 4-7 or 4-8 or something that didn't happen... the reason that this didn't happen is because are captains are slow... slow in a way like: huh cootchy cootchy coo what going on we know no subcommand, fuck subcommand whats subcommand... by the time they found out what the subcommand was, acumo already was at 4-9 and when they used the subcommand he just happened to die so. The difference to this matter is we didn't try to get an extra life by using this sub as opposed to you who just used the sub to get an extra life basicly. We used it to sub someone out who was doing bad, but we're just slow... again opposed to you who tried to lamesub someone out who was actually doing good but close to dieing out...

[turmio]

Also, if we are so lame knockers, care to explain this?

http://twl.trenchwars.org/?x=showmatch&match=129

Not sure if I understood what you were after, Ease, but imo, that game, disoblige had 51 deaths, not pirates (so pirates had to kill 51).


I find this ridiculous. MirrorriM whats wrong with you?
gj till now..

And as stated in the first thread I think, why is phiz/draft not punished for doing this,
while it clearly states in rules something in these lines
"if a player is found exploiting bugs or smthn he/she will be punished"

[Burnt]

why is phiz/draft not punished for doing this,
while it clearly states in rules something in these lines
"if a player is found exploiting bugs or smthn he/she will be punished"

The rules state you can use subs at any time, that's why. Ease's own lag caused his death, not really a bug.

[Draft]

Not sure if I understood what you were after, Ease, but imo, that game, disoblige had 51 deaths, not pirates (so pirates had to kill 51).


I find this ridiculous. MirrorriM whats wrong with you?
gj till now..

And as stated in the first thread I think, why is phiz/draft not punished for doing this,
while it clearly states in rules something in these lines
"if a player is found exploiting bugs or smthn he/she will be punished"

you can't punish me for doing something thats legal to this day



edit: are we just discussing for the future twls or does pirates still want a rematch? im not going to bother reading 7 paragraphs from knorckers each time he posts

[eelam <tw>]

re

my head hurts from hearing you newbs speak, let ME BREAK IT DOWN TO YOU, the BOT allows people to be subbed in if you have LESS THAN 10 DEATHS RANGING FROM 1-9 RIGHT IDIOTS? WITH ME STILL? GOOD GOOD NEWBS... THEREFORE it means that draft subbed EASE when he was at 9 deaths, THAT THE ONLY WAY THE BOT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE SUB and from the log draft showed it obvious ard was SUBBED IN PRIOR TO ease "out 12-10" comment. THE REST IS JUST DUE TO LAG.

P.S. EZ PZ GET GOOD PIRATES IS SOO SHITTT.