TWL Season 14 Announcements

[Vys]

Lol changing the rss cap would remove snipers and rushers from the game and the game play would be horrible. Who wants to see a whole game of just mid-range? Watching players dodge shots because they have more resolution to see the bullet and dodge it. They also will be able to see vulchers on the screen so they will be more careful. Games will last longer than the time limit especially for how safe people will be playing and how the game play will be.
Changing the resolution will kill the league all together.
This is coming from someone who has been considered one of top warbirds since 04. You might want listen to what I say.
Oh and I've recently downgraded my resolution from 1280x1025 to 1024x800 and it makes a tremendous difference to my old resolution. I get owned from things I can't see on my radar and this will happen to the guys who are on 1280x1024 if you raise the limit.

[Ricko]

This is coming from someone who has been considered one of top warbirds since 04. You might want listen to what I say.

Oh god....

[Cornelius]

Raising the resolution is going to kill a lot of skills in wb.
One of them is the radaring skills.
There will be no more radar kills. You will fire looking that your enemy is on the radar but it's gonna be useless because there will be too much time to dodge. The radar aiming skill is gonna be useless. The radar positioning skills are gonna be useless. And many others skills are going to be useless, like vys said.

This is gonna benefit the bad player only. One of the differences from the good player to the bad player is bcz the good player can keep concentration in both while playing: Screen and Radar.

[Engineers]

i just love it when there are enemies above my shitty 1024x768 resolution and i glance at the radar and have enough time to say "shit!" and a speed bullet kills me.

[Cornelius]

1024x768 is bad bcz it doesnt really give a good time to dodge and above 1280x1024 theres too much time to dodge.

1280x1024 is the perfect resolution to play wb. Keep the resolution limit to it!

The trench wars warbird is almost the only one in the entire subspace that uses a different type of gameplay. The radar gameplay.

[Vatican Assassin]

i wonder what 21 players penetrate will be axing, sounds like a whole new squad to me

[Summa]

Let me respond to a few things here since no one has come to defense of raising the resolution.

In terms of eliminating rushing. This is argument is a joke to me. Does it destroy the horizontal axis "surprise" rush; yes it does. Vertical axis rushes are still as effective, and people who fire, miss, and are low energy are just as susceptible to a rush regardless of resolution.

Someone said something about people with larger res being able to see more on radar. Also false, in fact this is the biggest hindrance to 1920x1080. Unless the magnification of the radar is changed in the .lvz, you will always see 2000x2000 on your radar. In effect this distorts the proportion of your radar for those who are used to playing 4:3 aspect resolutions.

I also think it "destroying the league" is hyperbole. As I stated, there are maybe 4 or 5 ppl who I would consider TWL starters who are using the increased resolution. In some senses it would "re-invent" warbird play more so than it would destroy the league. Rather than allow current practice to dominate, it would force people to learn a new set of skills.

Like I said, I have not made up my mind; but beyond the testimony of wb veterans and an understanding of fractions of a second more to react, I have little hard evidence against raising the res.

[Jones]

Let me respond to a few things here since no one has come to defense of raising the resolution.

In terms of eliminating rushing. This is argument is a joke to me. Does it destroy the horizontal axis "surprise" rush; yes it does. Vertical axis rushes are still as effective, and people who fire, miss, and are low energy are just as susceptible to a rush regardless of resolution.

Actually, it is easier to rush with higher resolution since you need to pull of a few dodges before you move in, as well as predicting enemy flight path (among other things). Suiciderushing is a whole different thing that you seem to be thinking about.

[Burnt]

In terms of eliminating rushing. This is argument is a joke to me. Does it destroy the horizontal axis "surprise" rush; yes it does. Vertical axis rushes are still as effective, and people who fire, miss, and are low energy are just as susceptible to a rush regardless of resolution.

Someone said something about people with larger res being able to see more on radar. Also false, in fact this is the biggest hindrance to 1920x1080. Unless the magnification of the radar is changed in the .lvz, you will always see 2000x2000 on your radar. In effect this distorts the proportion of your radar for those who are used to playing 4:3 aspect resolutions.

It sounds like you're agreeing to not allow resolutions like 1600x1200,1920x1200 and 1920x1440 and make the limit 1920x1080 at the most, but if you're not none of these things you mentioned are really relevant.

I also think it "destroying the league" is hyperbole. As I stated, there are maybe 4 or 5 ppl who I would consider TWL starters who are using the increased resolution. In some senses it would "re-invent" warbird play more so than it would destroy the league. Rather than allow current practice to dominate, it would force people to learn a new set of skills.

How could it re-invent anything with only 4 or 5 TWL starters using it?

Ergo: Advantage is there, but it isn't going to alter the game or suddeny make people go 20:1 every game. Its a small advantage.

Maybe "small" for 1 player, but what if 2 teams very close in talent play each other, 1 has all high resolution players and the other has none, that "small" advantage will add up and can easily make the difference in the game.

Like I said, I have not made up my mind; but beyond the testimony of wb veterans and an understanding of fractions of a second more to react, I have little hard evidence against raising the res.

Can I have a ship that recharges 10% faster than everyone else this season? It's only a fraction of a second faster to reload, it won't make any difference, I swear.

[Summa]

It sounds like you're agreeing to not allow resolutions like 1600x1200,1920x1200 and 1920x1440 and make the limit 1920x1080 at the most, but if you're not none of these things you mentioned are really relevant.



How could it re-invent anything with only 4 or 5 TWL starters using it?



Maybe "small" for 1 player, but what if 2 teams very close in talent play each other, 1 has all high resolution players and the other has none, that "small" advantage will add up and can easily make the difference in the game.



Can I have a ship that recharges 10% faster than everyone else this season? It's only a fraction of a second faster to reload, it won't make any difference, I swear.

Theoretically this all seems reasonable, but why doesn't it translate into results?

Lol I would be interested in seeing a game between a group of 10 players who can all play on max resolution. Do 1 round where 1 team uses max and the other uses standard, then they swap for the 2nd round. It would simply be interesting for me to see if someone could somehow organize one....although I doubt it will ever happen.

[Burnt]

Theoretically this all seems reasonable, but why doesn't it translate into results?

You looked at what, 2 people from TWDT and 5 from TWD? That's a very small sample size, and when I look at some players stats i think i do see a difference, maybe you could posts some stats you've been monitoring so we can compare them. Plus one of the most important stats, how fast someone dies out of the game on average, isn't even tracked.

I will do this on a league by league basis, seeing how in basing it is widely accepted and in dueling it is very controversial

If it's controversial and only 4 or 5 TWLD players are using it, and the vast majority of TWLD players who voted in the poll said no, then how can it be worth it to raise the limit? You'll just piss a bunch of vets off for what really?

[Vys]

Let me respond to a few things here since no one has come to defense of raising the resolution.

In terms of eliminating rushing. This is argument is a joke to me. Does it destroy the horizontal axis "surprise" rush; yes it does. Vertical axis rushes are still as effective, and people who fire, miss, and are low energy are just as susceptible to a rush regardless of resolution.

Someone said something about people with larger res being able to see more on radar. Also false, in fact this is the biggest hindrance to 1920x1080. Unless the magnification of the radar is changed in the .lvz, you will always see 2000x2000 on your radar. In effect this distorts the proportion of your radar for those who are used to playing 4:3 aspect resolutions.

I also think it "destroying the league" is hyperbole. As I stated, there are maybe 4 or 5 ppl who I would consider TWL starters who are using the increased resolution. In some senses it would "re-invent" warbird play more so than it would destroy the league. Rather than allow current practice to dominate, it would force people to learn a new set of skills.

Like I said, I have not made up my mind; but beyond the testimony of wb veterans and an understanding of fractions of a second more to react, I have little hard evidence against raising the res.

I just don't think it's fair for someone like yourself who doesn't play warbird to make key decisions which will effect warbird entirely. Your not listening to people who've been playing in that ship for numerous years, doing a change like that could kill the warbird department of the zone. If this players don't like your idea and decide to quit, all because svs chaos players are wanting a rise.
The res cap was added by priitk and it was done for a reason. The game play sucks without the cap, that's why this change was done in the first place.

[paska]

just replying to say.... raising resolution for wbs is bad and it gives an advantage (vs low res players) that you basers will obviously never understand. Lowering the res for twlb sounds more exciting how about we try that first?

[Ricko]

yeah please dont raise the limit, I've only just got a laptop that can actually play on a 1280 x 1024 res as my last was 1020 x 600, already the difference is amazing as I can actually see shots coming at me now. Raising the res is just going to allow those players who sit on the edge of radar all game and lob strays (no offence, but this is mainly SVS players) and run backwards the entire time even more advantage. Listen to the actual wbs telling you how it is.

[Summa]

For those who say I am not listening, I laugh at you. The only reason it isn't raised right this second is because I am listening. The majority of staff has wanted to increase it to become more friendly to all players, and there doesn't seem to be any statistical demonstration of an advantage. So honestly, everything in my head is telling me it's not a big deal, but I am withholding for now due to the fact that I am listening.

As for burnt's comment. It is 4 players in TWDT and 9 from TWD...not much larger but in such a small sample size every extra person matters all the more. I know of a few people who play on both 1280x1024 and 1920x1080, I will take a look at their time alive and what range they kill from based upon their resolution and see if I can find anything there.

Like I said, I am sincerely trying to listen here and trying to find some proof other than testimony and conjecture to not raise it. So that you can reference that evidence in the future if anyone ever tries to raise it on you again. If you want to help sift through TWD stats to help substantiate your claims, please be my guest. But as far as I know, I am the only person currently looking for a solid and provable reason. If you want it to stay this way so bad, then why not put in a little leg work and help a brotha out?