Mafia 2020: Town of Salem

[Vehicle]

I haven't doubted your bus driver claim.

Why though? Why haven't you doubted them at all? Like if someone can give me a good reason why it's risky for Voth to claim bus driver maybe I'll stop going so hard at him?

The way I see it, he's claiming a role that will at a minimum buy him several rounds until a cop comes along. He won't be a priority for town to lynch or scum to lynch and he'll just skate by for a minimum of 3 days.

What am I missing?

[kthx]

I have been plenty active, here let me increase my activity in a way that adds to the current conversation.

voth - guy has post partum depression or something and his brain couldn't handle the rigors of rearing a child.

Paul - a three legged dog walks into a bar and says "who shot my paw"

Beast - I guess IXT made a new role "mafia watcher"

Exalt - types 20 paragraph responses while triple posting but thinks whales is a country.

Jessup - can't figure out his own sexuality nor how to not private message people in forum mafia

Willby - poo poo head

Does that sate your juicy flavor cravings faggots,

[ixt]

1. voth: Possibly bus driver, possibly lying scum, definite liability. No way to ever confirm role.
2. vehicle: town
3. kthx: very quiet but clearly reading, side-eyeing
4. willby: rc doctor, role likely doesn't kill, given this games base material 70% chance of town, 30% chance scum blocker/investigator/weird thing
5. partyfalcon: I liked that he introduced himself, hasn't said shit since then. Most inactive. Can't read.
6. backwards: Second most inactive. Maybe a brother's weekend? Can't read
7. Jessup: Being Jessup and catching shade for it. Neutral. (Unless I missed something sketchy?)
8. beast: An idiot, basically confirmed watcher. Only question is: Does this weird ToS shit have a mafia watcher role? Otherwise town.
10. the_paul: I don't see it. Not super active. Not a lynchable offense to me. Neutral.
11. exalt: D1 vote pattern suspicious. If Voth is scum, he is scum.
13. Kassius: How is this guy's vote still on Willby? Leaning scum but it's so dumb to hang out like that if it's true that he is guilty.
14. Apocalypse WOW: Made three posts so far, voted Jessup for being unpredictable, leaning scum

I guess my suspicion list is constantly in flux but is currently: voth, exalt, kassius
I'm slightly wary of: kthx, backwards, Apoc, Beast and maybe even Willby
Partyfalcon needs to start posting or get subbed.

In fairness to everyone I will only allow subs for the first phase/night. If he fails to post before phase change, he will commit suicide (modkill)

[the_paul]

Why though? Why haven't you doubted them at all? Like if someone can give me a good reason why it's risky for Voth to claim bus driver maybe I'll stop going so hard at him?

The way I see it, he's claiming a role that will at a minimum buy him several rounds until a cop comes along. He won't be a priority for town to lynch or scum to lynch and he'll just skate by for a minimum of 3 days.

What am I missing?

Because it seems like a weird thing to claim without having any heat on him. I don't see the upside of doing it, but then again I hammer lynched my roleblocker day 1, so who am I to say anything about doing things the orthodox way? I'm not going to write him in as confirmed town in pen, but right now it's his voting pattern and logic that is concerning to me, not his roleclaim

[the_paul]

I have been plenty active, here let me increase my activity in a way that adds to the current conversation.

voth - guy has post partum depression or something and his brain couldn't handle the rigors of rearing a child.

Paul - a three legged dog walks into a bar and says "who shot my paw"

Beast - I guess IXT made a new role "mafia watcher"

Exalt - types 20 paragraph responses while triple posting but thinks whales is a country.

Jessup - can't figure out his own sexuality nor how to not private message people in forum mafia

Willby - poo poo head

Does that sate your juicy flavor cravings faggots,

Oh you consider this amount of substance to be activity, that explains why we're disagreeing about the levels of activity in the thread. At least that's one mystery solved

[WillBy]

Why though? Why haven't you doubted them at all? Like if someone can give me a good reason why it's risky for Voth to claim bus driver maybe I'll stop going so hard at him?

The way I see it, he's claiming a role that will at a minimum buy him several rounds until a cop comes along. He won't be a priority for town to lynch or scum to lynch and he'll just skate by for a minimum of 3 days.

What am I missing?

What sold Voths claim for me is that he claimed transporter, not busdriver. Nothing 100%, but feels more legitimate. He claimed exactly how I would have explained the role

[kthx]

Oh you consider this amount of substance to be activity, that explains why we're disagreeing about the levels of activity in the thread. At least that's one mystery solved

I thought you would catch the clever joke there, alas. I was making a point about the "substance" so far.

[the_paul]

I'm just going to set a reminder to participate in memedump Wednesday so I can have some activity that I can stand behind

[kthx]

I'm just going to set a reminder to participate in memedump Wednesday so I can have some activity that I can stand behind

I'm voting for voth for two reasons, if he is a bus driver which I'm not sure he is then he is going to end up fucking up investigations or protections for town, and he bussed on day one supposedly. On top of that I don't trust the claim given the other roles in the game. If we are voting blindly to figure out voting patterns which everyone is, I would rather get rid of someone who has played sloppy lately with a role that can fuck things up over a doctor or watcher claim.

[Exalt]

So the fact that I called out Kassius's reasoning, exposed it as a fucking stupid ploy that will end up now in town's favor (nailed that one), and voted for him doesn't mean anything? And the fact that I call out Kthx and Voth's (lack of) reasoning in their attempt to bus me?

I'm not sure why you're having me spell this out for you, on normal occasions you would see the people I'm calling out and put the 2 pieces together, but fine.

Kassius pushing our apparent doctor to roleclaim day 2 was fucking stupid and anti town, as I said at the time, and is the reason I voted for him. I also called out the people in the moment who jumped at the low hanging fruit. How I managed to do this given the extreme level of inactivity I was apparently is beyond me, but it happened.

Voth hasn't pushed for a lynch this hard since the last time he ignored logic and successfully lynched me, when I was town vigi 2 games ago. He's ignoring any semblance of logic and his past habits, and has thrown on blinders. I don't know if he's scum or if he's got tunnel vision because of last game, but either way its anti town.

Kthx waited until after I called out Kassius and the idiotic nature of the people who piled on afterwards to try to paint me as inactive, and he has ironically disappeared afterwards. Has offered nothing of substance except to try to take shots at my activity the last 2 games, despite the fact that I was more active than him last game and so far this game. And again people are taking the low hanging fruit and trying to pile on bad logic, which is scummy. He's also ignored actual inactive people, which is telling.

Apart from them, I'm suspicious of everyone that is completely inactive, which is everyone not named Voth, Exalt, Vehicle, or Willby essentially. I'd shorten that list to the people Kthx and Voth have deliberately avoided mentioning by name, but that list in itself is pretty long.

I've called out all of these people already, explicitly, but now they're in a list format for all of you. Anything else I can help debunk on this fine Saturday evening?

Im asking about other reads, because even if Kassius flips red, he has buddies. Scum usually go for one lynch at a time, not giving mass reads if they can avoid it.

Idk what's going on with Voth either. This kinda reminds me of his last scum game, but he was erratic last game too. I've just been ignoring him after his claim, because he's not a good lynch either way.

I can never tell if Kthx is town or scum. I thought he was scum last game, but he flipped town. I ignore him for the same reasons almost every game due to that. I'd be ok with lynching his ass just so I dont have to deal with it.

As for Kassius himself, I agree with everything, but what gives me pause is that literally half the game seems to be saying the same shit. When everyone is willing to lynch the low hanging fruit player, then it means they're probably town. You, me, Vehicle, WillBy, who else said it?

Then again... only you are voting him.

Alright, I'm gonna Vote:Kassius and go to bed. Let's see what Kassius has to say later.

[Vehicle]

Because it seems like a weird thing to claim without having any heat on him.

It was mid-to-late in D1 and he had 3 votes on him and was the voteleader with like two other people on two. That's plenty of heat imo.

[Vehicle]

What sold Voths claim for me is that he claimed transporter, not busdriver. Nothing 100%, but feels more legitimate. He claimed exactly how I would have explained the role

He did it in two posts. First he said I am the bus driver, then he was like "ixt called it transporter."

If you google "town of salem bus driver," transporter is the first result.

Doesn't make me believe him any more or less.

[the_paul]

It was mid-to-late in D1 and he had 3 votes on him and was the voteleader with like two other people on two. That's plenty of heat imo.

I guess that's fair. It just didn't seem like he had to much to worry about to me, because some of the votes seemed like troll votes and some seemed like personal vendettas. I found it unlikely that he would be lynched throughout the entire process, I was more concerned about Willby potentially getting lynched. I could have been reading the entire phase incorrectly if those were my feelings, you make a good point

[Voth]

I haven't doubted your bus driver claim. Your full on pursuit of my lynch at all costs strikes me as scummy, but I don't know what you'd have to gain by claiming that on day 1. I also said that based on what we know right now, town's chances of winning hinge largely on your night actions.

I'll agree to apologize if you agree to apologize when you inevitably successfully lynch me.

You are FAKE NEWS.

Please go back and quote where I have been ravenously pushing for you to be lynched. Don't go AFK now - it's an easy one. Hit the quote button and explain how what I've been saying is pursuing your lynch at all costs, in your words. I just recently switched my vote to you because you're playing so up the middle that it makes me suspicious.

[Voth]

Voth hasn't pushed for a lynch this hard since the last time he ignored logic and successfully lynched me, when I was town vigi 2 games ago. He's ignoring any semblance of logic and his past habits, and has thrown on blinders. I don't know if he's scum or if he's got tunnel vision because of last game, but either way its anti town.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about?

Quote where I have pushed "this hard" for your lynch? I've changed my vote like 4-5 times this phase. You ARs flailing and it's brutal right meow.