TW Mafia 2020: TIGER KING - Murder, Mayhem, Madness

[Jessup]

It was the psychiatrist claim that scared you. That would be your enemy number one if cult leader.

[Jessup]

Also Kthx why would you visit beast who was our claimed doctor if you are our doctor? You should have visited the paul.

[Exalt]

I’m a believer of free speech too, but not bullying or hate. And yes, I am able to draw a line between hate speech and free speech, and beast crossed it. What he said was not only generally offensive, but also personal.

Those of us who have played subspace together and played on these forums together have learned to mostly get along, and accept some of the more “colorful” comments. Now that we’re inviting outsiders to supplement our population, we should probably be considerate of the fact that they haven’t assimilated to this culture.

2 of the players in the signup thread dropped out because they didn’t want to play in an environment where that language was acceptable. Both of those players are smart and experienced and would have added value to our games. This is supposed to be fun.

You can’t have it both ways. Do you want the games to die, do you want to play 5 person games with the same people so you can happily call one another faggots without being shamed, or do you want to control the language a little bit and create a slightly more inclusive environment so that new players aren’t immediately put-off? I’m not talking about rainbows and butterflies, I’m just talking about establishing a reasonable code of conduct for the sake of keeping TW mafia alive.

Let’s not let this situation be a cancer that ruins the game. If anyone wants to quit, then get it over with and let’s move on with the other kind of mayhem, the kind you actually signed up for.

Ghost of Christmas Past here. These words are for all of you equally::

Thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver’d, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mungril bitch. A most notable coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality. Thou sodden-witted lord! Thou hast no more brain than I have in mine elbows. Your brain is as dry as the remainder biscuit after voyage.Villain, I have done thy mother.

[Jessup]

Ascetic could be a thing that explains kthx defense sigh. What a perfect storm.

The_paul yet again is in the middle of the kthx controversy and see's kthx visit beast our at the time claimed doctor. Kthx said he protected me night one and got blocked originally.

OverthinkingIt said "

Side note. I just got more clarity about game mechanics. I saw that someone blocked kthx. That doesn't actually mean he has any power role. He could be a vanilla townie. Sorry for the confusion. I don't think there's any real evidence against him. He's just scummy irl and being a pain in the ass and refusing to name claim. That doesn't necessarily mean he's scum or third party (serial killer or cult leader). He could just be an annoying vanilla townie. I don't know him from Adam, but I presume he's the type to not be terribly helpful to town even as a townie out of sheer stubbornness. "

OverthinkingIt , To be clear your result said kthx was blocked or stopped? Unsure about your result wordings but an ascetic is Rolestopped not Roleblocked. I am unsure if this has any bearing on your results and how they would be worded in this case but it could be something important to figure out.

Impossible to 100% know what is going on with kthx for one because he has refused to tell us his role and for two this ascetic modifier could be really explaining the only results we get about him. Beast was bulletproof strongwilled cult immune so town is out of luck being able to pin anything on him last night.

I guess it comes down to

Vehicle (Wife of Godfather Willby/ Bitter Novice Cop)

Kassius (Unclaimed Lurker)

or

Kthx. (Visited Jessup night 1, Was role blocked, Said he attempted to protect me. Visited claimed town doctor night 2. Another town role that would need protection or killing. Both visiting Jessup and Beast could be to help or hurt town) Being ascetic and choosing myself night 1 and Beast night 2.

I can't understand. If you are unable to do any actions no matter what why choose these of all people?



Examples of Ascetic Roles-

Example (unmodified)


Welcome to game! You are an Ascetic Townie.
Actions that target you, other than kills, will fail as if roleblocked.
You have no active abilities.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Example (modified)


Welcome to game! You are a 1-shot Ascetic Townie.
The first action that targets you, other than a kill, will fail as if roleblocked.
You have no active abilities.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

[Jessup]

Ascetics appear to normally have NO ACTIVE ROLES

So how are you creeping around kthx?

[Vehicle]

So I'm a little bit drunk but whatever. I get why people are voting for me, the Lowe connection is obvious. When I got my role and saw that I was bitter and not just novice I should of put 2 and 2 together but it wasn't until Willby flipped that I realized what was up. I think this is just one of those situations where Hal[ ran out of non-shitty people to be town. I can bring a lot to the table as role cop, and I'll do whatever anyone wants to verify my role, and it is a really bad idea to lynch me over strictly flavor.

Kthx on the other hand reeks of scum across Texas all the way to Florida. Has been under constant pressure since day 1 and has refused to claim anything, he says he can't be investigated, my role cop visit turned up "no result," and it took very little convincing for him to abandon his mis-directed First Amendment principles to come running back to game.

Unvote beast (who I still think is scum)
Vote kthx

[Vehicle]

There are once again a bunch of votes from early in the phase thta I hope have time to catch up before it closes;

[OverthinkingIt]

My actions as town voyeur have been: N1 watched kthx and saw someone perform a blocking action on him, N2 watched Jessup and had “no results”.

[OverthinkingIt]

I’m honestly a bit confused what direction is best to take rn. Vehicle, did you investigate anyone N1?

[Jessup]

I’m honestly a bit confused what direction is best to take rn. Vehicle, did you investigate anyone N1?

I am confused too. Cult is so worrisome for me and sadly kthx fits every narrative possible. He visited me night 1 which would be a smart cult recruit as I was only confirmed town which Cult Leader has to do. He then says tried to protect me but shows up roleblocked. He claims he is ascetic which is a passive role yet is creeping around. He has not helped town one bit the entire game. He also goes to visit beast our claimed Doctor when he has some protective role.

Mysteriously The_Paul towns strongest role so far says he saw Kthx visit beast. This is EXTREMELY dangerous. I had a revelation that The_Paul could actually have had kthx visit him and recruit him. It would be a safe claim if paul was recruited by kthx. Targeting The_Paul would probably be the strongest play by a cult leader as he is towns strongest role right now. The_Paul could then lie and put pressure on beast by claiming kthx visited him making him appear to be the possible recruited cult when the_paul could be it. It seems so damn perfect that paul saw kthx lol and why would kthx be at beasts house?

After all this worry over kthx though the fact of the matter I realize is sdrawkcab was murdered last night. I was wrong to say there is possibly no other mafia besides Willby. Usurper is probably a thing. I see no other way sdrawkcab was killed than we still have mafia team floating around.

In light of this (which I feel semi stupid over lol, should have not overlooked sdrawkcabs death kill rofl) I sadly feel kthx yet again will get a pass. I know I am not cult and if what The_Paul says is true that he visited beast then no one is cult by kthx yet. I can't vote on my strong suspicions only I guess. I could be wrong but that fact mafia is a thing still we must go for a mafia player.

So who?

Kassius is not claimed and as voth said was only repeating stuff all game.

Vehicle is a spouse to Jeff Lowe like Howard Baskin was to Carol Baskin. Howard flipping town proves spouses can at least for 3rd party members can be innocent. The issue is vehicle is a spouse of a mafia godfather.. so does this apply? I did not find Lauren Lowe to be too bitter in the show. I don't get the Role claim Bitter Novice Cop. She was neither bitter nor did any sleuthing in the show.

So far EVERY ROLE proven claim has a bit of twisted flavor into it.

WillBy / Jeff Lowe / Mafia Godfather (had a crew he brought in and stole zoo for Joe Exotic)

Exalt / John Reinke / Town Tracker / Killed N1 (Was manager of zoo in charge of 500 animals and managerial aspects too. Tracker fits as this is what managers do)

Sdrawkcab / Rick Kirkham / Town Strong-Willed Namecop / Killed N2 (in show was reporter helping produce tv show with Joe and stayed at zoo, close enough to explain namecop)

Voth / Carol Baskin / Inquisitor / Killed N2 (Has over 100 employees working for free and 100% devoted to her "big cat rescue" while using the smallest cages of all the zoos, fits a cult leader)

Beast / Howard Baskin / Strong-Willed Bulletproof Townie / Modkilled D3 (Was a devout shield and protector of Carol no matter what, fits role)

Jessup / Joe Exotic / Innocent Child (Joe was like a kid in his grandiose thinking and attention seeking and was na?ve enough to allow his zoos to be taken away and unable to comprehend consequences of his actions dealing with Carol)

Scarlet / Dillon Passage / Town Novice Follower / Lynched D (Was one of Joes husband and TOTALLY reliant on him in every way. Joe would give him gifts and food /Everything, fits as follower)

Vehicle/Lauren Lowe claims a Bitter Novice Rolecop. (Again kthx is the target, again kthx gives no result, says this before kthx claims ascetic so could be true..no result is what he would get)

Kassius - lurking, said and done nothing, no role claim, no name claim, parroting people. Strangely absent

Kthx has multiple town wasting actions on him and STILL refuses to share anything.

All three choices seem like a craps shoot.

I dunno what to do either. I'd like some townie input to help.

My mind keeps saying kthx is scum but my gut keeps backing off kthx for some unknown reason lol.

My mind says Vehicle is full of shit, my gut says vehicle is ok.

My mind says kass is fine as I see nothing but my gut says kass is scum. I hate it lol.

[Jessup]

Yeah well it's just the reality of things. I wouldn't want you in a bathroom with my daughter either. The military shouldn't have to pay for the drugs to switch sexes, buy a cake at a different store that appreciates your business.

btw kthx, Your daughter would not even be looked at or bothered in the least by me. I go to the bathroom to poop and pee. Mens bathrooms are much more dangerous for me and those are where all the hanky panky goes on with the closet boys. The military spends millions on unnecessary meds like Viagra for men which is the same price about as estrogen and the number of trans in the military are tiny in comparison. Viagra costs the military WAY more than hormones ever would for trans military personnel. And there are federal laws that protect consumers from discrimination. Stores can not refuse to serve blacks or Jews or Men or Women ect that are open to the public to shop in. If the store uses Federal Reserve Notes as currency there are federal consumer protection laws in place. I should be allowed to shop in any store you can.

Ok had to retort. Done with that aspect of non related game stuff now even if you respond. :\

[Kassius]

Just need to come in here to refute, looks like Voth's spam seems to have become fact in your ears, Jessup. I have contributed plenty, much, much more than most in this thread. I was willing to put my neck on the line to interrogate Voth in the night when I didn't have to. I've provided analysis today at the start of the phase. My opinions are rarely getting requoted by others because what I'm saying makes sense.

After considering all the options in front of me, I've seen that being spouses on the show does not automatically mean you have the same alignment as each other. I've also seen how we have two people (and me for some reason) are being considered for lynch. So for me, it's a choice to lynch the person I wanted to lynch on D1, kthx, or Vehicle.

In my opinion, if you're going to tell a lie, make it blatant. Saying you're a role cop, but getting no result, on the only night you've been able to use it is a terrible lie, it doesn't hold any weight. Why do that? Say something you know is going to be fairly true like overthinkingit or TP is a watcher.

Kthx has been under pressure for most of the game. Appears to be gaining an ability every night depending on what needs to be refuted. I cannot see any reason to visit Jessup at all that would benefit town. She would also be a terrible target for scum for multiple reasons, so any kind of new ability kthx might grow to counter my accusation of guilt like trapper also seems far fetched at best.

Can someone show me where it is proven that Kthx visited Jessup, there's a lot of emojis, ghosts and mods talking this phase is and it's a mess. Jessup if you can show me this, I'll change my vote to kthx with you.

My current thoughts -

Kthx - 3rd Party through action of visiting Jessup (if proven). Had a hunch day1 and nothing has really persuaded me otherwise. Jessup seems convinced and her opinion is important as the only 100% confirmed town. Also really focused on me, every day I'm waiting for the daily post of 'strong scum lean' from him.
Zeebu - 3rd party, parrotted everything Voth said in N2 like 'yeah you told em, boss!', part of the Baskin cult.
Poopcat - Scum, through inactivity and lurking, never on any lynch lists. Guy is playing the ultimate scum game.
Vehicle - I really don't know, I can't read him. If he's telling the truth, his role can help confirm roleclaims. If not, we'll he's scum. My vote is on him as it stands.

In terms of usefulness to town, poop, kthx and zeebu seem to be offering absolutely nothing. Any of you three want to correct me? Kthx repeating 'Kassius has a strong scum lean' doesn't count, you've said it about 3 times now already.

[Jessup]

I am sick of kthx actually. If he refuses to reveal his name and role I got to vote for him. Everything matches up for him to be Cult Leader. He is unactionable meaning no one can investigate him yet he is creeping around every night. This ascetic immune to everything role cancels out beasts strong willed bullet proof townie role town had too. I know there is mafia too but right now I feel more threatened by kthx.

Kthx also promised to reveal today and has not. Please reveal Kthx.

Kthx if you are holding out a reveal so you can flip some town power role and say I told you so I will be super pissed too. You are NOT being a town player.

Still

Vote KTHX

What are you alls thoughts?

Could kthx be a survivor or some crap?

If he is survivor and not cult it's worth him staying alive this phase but I fear him being a second cult with the role Cult Leader so much.

[kthx]

btw kthx, Your daughter would not even be looked at or bothered in the least by me. I go to the bathroom to poop and pee. Mens bathrooms are much more dangerous for me and those are where all the hanky panky goes on with the closet boys. The military spends millions on unnecessary meds like Viagra for men which is the same price about as estrogen and the number of trans in the military are tiny in comparison. Viagra costs the military WAY more than hormones ever would for trans military personnel. And there are federal laws that protect consumers from discrimination. Stores can not refuse to serve blacks or Jews or Men or Women ect that are open to the public to shop in. If the store uses Federal Reserve Notes as currency there are federal consumer protection laws in place. I should be allowed to shop in any store you can.

Ok had to retort. Done with that aspect of non related game stuff now even if you respond. :\

Yeah I know Jessup. I know your a decent person but unfortunately I don't know lots of people and that's just bad shit waiting to happen.

[kthx]

Also I have proven myself to be town the entire game, kassius is mafia however and we should be voting him off. The idea of two cults is crazy. Also I stayed up all night and I'm very drunk so I'm hoping this makes sense.