Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[Vehicle]

My vote's been consistently on WIllby and I've said it before and I'll say it again: his role is anti-town, therefore it follows that it would not belong to a town member. Therefore I vote for him.

I've made a couple dumb posts early in last night's phase, but I've been pretty steadfastly up Willby's ass since yesterday. So fuck off with your SR field.

I'm not going to keep having the same debate: but why can't a townsperson have a anti-town role, they ask. Because then they wouldn't be town.

My vote stays on Willby and it'll take some miracle to get me to move. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my humble pie, but out of everyone who's currently posting you look the worst.

[Vehicle]

Exalt You've claimed you're holding today's lynch hostage. Besides natural questions like "what the fuck, how does that benefit town" it naturally flows into me asking:
Are we gonna see some kind of mod-confirmation of this? Or are you planning on asking town to just submit to your vote choices, then do the same thing the next day over and over? You've claimed that your role only let's you trigger a no-lynch, which again, seems pretty against town's interests.

This is worth noting. Like if he never uses the ability he can hold it over town forever. And we don't even know if it's real.

[Exalt]

Are we gonna see some kind of mod-confirmation of this? Or are you planning on asking town to just submit to your vote choices, then do the same thing the next day over and over? You've claimed that your role only let's you trigger a no-lynch, which again, seems pretty against town's interests.

I mean, you could ask Kthx if you want, but that seems a bit like asking for TMI, so I doubt he'd confirm or deny it. You can choose to vote whoever you want, but if I don't like the results at EoD, I'm ending things with a NL. If you don't believe me, that's on you. Play it however you see fit.

[Exalt]

This is worth noting. Like if he never uses the ability he can hold it over town forever. And we don't even know if it's real.

I guess you wouldn't know if it was real or not until I use it, but that's just how it goes I guess. If I was going to fake something though, I'd have faked a cop guilty on WillBy or Field though to speed the day along.

[scarlet]

I hate this kind of meta because it's literally playing against the mod and has nothing to do with how people play, but:
If the role is real, I feel like it's very unlikely that exalt isn't town.

Realistically, the only use for the role is to prevent exalt from being lynched and soft-clear him in doing so.
Unfortunately, exalt's taken that as a chance to run with it and stop being accountable to town.

I've never really thought exalt was scum
The way he's playing now is exactly how I've played on other sites with a very strong 1shot role. It's an easy trap to fall into. It's a really towny position; I don't really doubt either the roleclaim or exalt's alignment.
My problem is I think he's barking up the wrong tree. That he claims to have been able to show that willby was scummy D1, and still hasn't really doesn't motivate me to pursue that wagon.

I'll take another look over field, but I feel like I'd be better spent using these 24hrs to try to convince exalt to change his mind than to blow them off in favor of a predetermined lynch direction.

[Vehicle]

I don't think exalt is scum but I kind of want to deliberately vote someone else to force him to use this ability if he actually has it. At this rate, town is basically held hostage by exalt every day.

Fuck it. My vote is going on the person who several players have expressed desperation to hear from, was targeted last night, and has yet to post during this day phase.
unvote Willby
Vote PartyFalcon

If I've decided one thing this phase:I won't be voting for field or Willby. I'd rather have a no lynch day then be beholden to Exalts Top 2 until the game is over. Fuck em.

[Vehicle]

Wait I literally said it would have to take a miracle for me to switch off Willby. Does that make Exalt God?

I've also changed my mind again
Unvote partyfalcon
Vote Scarlet

A lot of pointless attempts to poke holes in people's stories today, especially Kassius.

[scarlet]

Yeah, looking over field's D2 posts nothing stands out to me. Actually, he mostly agree with me on most things, so that's nice. That's more to say that he could actually best a toddler in a game of wits than it is to say that he's town, but eh.
I don't agree so much with the Vehicle SR, because vehicle's D1 was actually pretty reasonable as opposed to last time when he was scum.
I think I disagree with vehicle more than think he's scum. I think that he's lazy, personally, not as a scum tactic.
Field I think is pretty neutral. If I had to pick between a field lynch and a nolynch, I'd lynch field every time (this post brought to you by Big DoubleLynch™) because we might get lucky, but I don't have a particular preference for it. In terms of neutral reads, field is a thousand times more productive than e.g. Beast or even PartyFalcon. He should not be anywhere near the top of the list in a game where we have players like halp

PersonalProtectiveEdit:
Vehicle unless you're saying that exalt is scum, what's your problem with lynching between two people when you think one of them might be scum?
I mean, we might be falling for some 400IQ scum play to let exalt ride out the rest of the game, but with the claim I'm inclined to say it's probably true and he's probably town. A nolynch is one of the worst possible lynches we could get and all we'd get out of it is kinda softclearing exalt (who for all intents and purposes, especially after using his ability, is a vanilla).

[scarlet]

A lot of pointless attempts to poke holes in people's stories today, especially Kassius.

Yeah pointless.
Riddle me this Vehicle:
Based on the information Kassius has claimed and that alone, can you tell me if we have a cop in the game?
I can't, and kassius has taken up a not insignificant part of the D2 discussion with his claim.

[WillBy]

I'll take another look over field, but I feel like I'd be better spent using these 24hrs to try to convince exalt to change his mind than to blow them off in favor of a predetermined lynch direction.

I strongly agree with this. Feels weird to be stuck trying to appease someone. Especially since it's just this threat that sits there until it's used.

[scarlet]

I was wrong, there isn't enough coffee in the world for me to want to engage with m_leonhard's wall of shade written like it was going to be his last post, dropped 27hrs out from the end of day when he's only in the top three of today's list on a tie.

Exalt what makes you so certain in willby/field that you'd bring up faking a report as if it was something you'd actually consider?
Why are you so willing to nolynch anyway? If the train was on e.g. PartyFalcon, who's, more or less, got one useful post from D1 and nothing else, would you stop it? How is nolynching better for town than lynching someone you're not sure about the alignment of?

[Vehicle]

You're right about some of your arguments scarlet but not all, and you've done a lot to muddy the water. I don't particularly want to vote for you, it's not about that. It's about the fact that if we let exalt do this today, he can literally do it everyday.

And while most of you would probably agree it's better to have exalt picking the top two lunches than me, I'm not comfortable playing the rest of the game that way.

But you're right, when I think about your posts they're not worse than Willby's, who is who I would really like to vote for, but I have to vote for someone.

Basically I don't like being held for ranson endgame or exalt dies.

But since you're right about your own posts
Unvote scarlet
Vote Beast

What ever happened to this train?

And, honestly, I don't know how you guys keep up. Like I have a job so reading thread actively is a struggle enough. I was just thinking today if my work keeps up Im gonna have to stop signing up, big loss I know.

[kthx]

I'll post a fresh vote count tomorrow morning around 7am central (or close to that time) which will be the 12 hour till phase closing bell.

[Voth]

I would rather not do this, but Exalt is backing everyone into a corner (unnecessarily) here. I'm all for making power plays, and I actually believe you might be town because of it, but you are way off in my opinion on the options you have laid out.

It really doesn't matter because I used my one and only truly useful ability already, and I got some information that can help our debacle here:

I am the Librarian. I have two abilities, one of which I already used last night. The other ability I will keep to myself for now, but it isn't terribly useful (it is a day action and I have just as much chance of screwing town over as I do helping town, so I'm not sure I am even going to use it) and that is why I'm fine just coming out and claiming now. I used a 1-shot investigation on field N1. Field is innocent.

So, none of you should be voting field under any circumstances now.

The problem is, though, that I think Willby is town too. I don't think that someone who was coming under fire from so many directions for so long has a scum team aligned with him. Kassius was aggravatingly dense on their back and forth exchange, and I think Exalt misread Willby during this too.

So, Exalt, assuming you are town, I would respectfully ask that you modify these demands, as 2/3 options (field and no lynch) are terrible for town, and the last
option (Willby) is probably not the best lynch right now. I really don't have a scum read on him at all.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out that it is entirely possible that Exalt is scum and is backing town into a corner with two of our best players or a NL as our only options. Willby is an easy target with all the controversy around him and field has been inactive enough and had his name said by enough people to be a possible lynch too. I have a very slight town lean on Exalt at the moment, but it's more close to neutral at the moment.

[Voth]

And with that, I need to catch up on the last page and a half.