Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[kthx]

A quick aside;

I have a poker game tonight close to 7pm when the phase is due to change. Would you rather me shut the phase down a hour early or hold off until I get home which might extend it several hours depending on how drunk I am and how well I'm doing?

[Exalt]

kthx Thanks for the VC.



Willby(3) - kassius, beast, m_leon
Beast(2) - halp, vehicle
M_leon(2) - scarlet, field
Halp(2) - voth, exalt
Field(1) - jessup

Non voters- zeebu - partyfalcon

Updated.

[Exalt]

A quick aside;

I have a poker game tonight close to 7pm when the phase is due to change. Would you rather me shut the phase down a hour early or hold off until I get home which might extend it several hours depending on how drunk I am and how well I'm doing?

Earlier is better for me, since that's like 3 am or something for me.

[Exalt]

Zeebu's D1 was solid enough imo, but he hasn't done anything D2.

Eat shit. You absolutely do have to justify your cases to me, if you want me to buy into them. If you thought willby was scum, and you had a way to convince me to vote him with you, you absolutely had the responsibility to do that.
Anyway, now that you're coming around to the same cases I've been riding since N1, I'll take the opportunity to say: what else am I going to do, if you refuse to consider lynching someone that you are now fine with giving an ultimatum about, but attack the (bullshit) cases you are sitting on? Fakeclaim cop with guilty or give shitty ultimatums with some madeup role? I don't have that level of confidence in my reads, and I'm not walking us into two mislynches in a row (including my own) if I'm wrong and m_leo is just a moron.

PPE:
The read on field at the time of Voth's claim and the end of Day1 are totally different and contains roughly 6000% more material, since field more or less didn't post on D1.

No, I don't. Also, who said I believed WillBy was scum for real? Am I voting him right now?

[scarlet]

kthx if it's extended I'll probably miss the end of the day, so I'll vote for ending the phase at 6 instead of an unspecifiable time

[kthx]

Earlier is better for me, since that's like 3 am or something for me.

Normally it wouldn't be an issue but I have a friend flying in for a crawfish boil and I am fairly certain I will be 5 car bombs deep by 7. Just wanted to provide clarity for the mild phase rescheduling.

[kthx]

kthx if it's extended I'll probably miss the end of the day, so I'll vote for ending the phase at 6 instead of an unspecifiable time

Yeah, seems like cutting an hour off is more reasonable for quite a few reasons. I'll give it 5 hours to simmer and by noon(central) I will post the corrected time.

[Exalt]

Dunno why you think Zeebu is half as scummy as m_leo or halp.

A hard stance on Zeebu. Worth it.

What if I replaced him with Vehicle? Would you object to that?

[scarlet]

I don't agree with either of the cases Vehicle spent D1 then D2 pursuing, but his reasons for them are believable reasons that a townie could hold.
I'd object to a vehicle lynch

[Exalt]

[5] Sherlock Holmes - Exalt, PartyFalcon, jessup, scarlet, voth
[3] Jessup - Sherlock Holmes, Zeebu, Kassius
[3] Beast - WillBy, the_paul, halp
[3] scarlet - m_leonhard, Vehicle, field
[1] willby - Beast

FYI, this was the final D1 votecount as far as I can tell.

From what I'm seeing, the Sherlock wagon looks pretty pure. Maybe PF is scum, but I'm going to just assume no right now due to my PoE.

Jessup wagon looks pure too, considering Sherlock flipped town, Kassius full-claimed, and Zeebu could go either way.

That leaves: Beast/Scarlet/WillBy wagons. Beast votes WillBy no matter what, so I'm striking that one down for now.

So whose left? Beast/Scarlet wagons.

Paul flipped Cult and Field came back inno through Voth. Whose left on those wagons?

[3] Beast - WillBy,the_paul, halp
[3] scarlet - m_leonhard, Vehicle, field

[Exalt]

I don't agree with either of the cases Vehicle spent D1 then D2 pursuing, but his reasons for them are believable reasons that a townie could hold.
I'd object to a vehicle lynch

Then how many scum do you believe are in this game? Only 2?

[scarlet]

3 and a survivor maybe.
I'd object to a Vehicle lynch because it would imply not lynching m_leo or halp. I wouldn't object to a vehicle kill if it wasn't at the expense of a better kill.

[Jessup]

K earlier phase end is worse for town. We need a train ASAP.

I do believe 2 or 3 active scum are purposely muddying the waters this phase and the lack luster lurkers are hurting towns chances badly by doing nothing (those not town) probably 2 or 3 are scum lurking too.

I wanted field because I don't trust voth and it would at least bring tangible proof if voth is legit. I think a train on field makes the most sense to force a reveal by him. We can get him AND voth figured out in one go here. That pair needs the fire held to the feet this phase imo.

Next pair to look closely at exalt and kass. Not moving on them at all this phase though as they at least have been acting pro town. Just a heads up I worry a bit about.

Besides that if u dingleberries don't wanna push field or voth which is dumb imo. Voth led trains early against tracker AND Doctor AND saves field while claiming this is last thing he can do before being a Vanilla Townie. This is the proper move to do here..

If I can't get people to join me on a field train though I will support going for Zeebu , halp or PartyFalcon. maybe beast or m_leo

For me again Field/Voth is main train we shud do.

Backup train is lurkers. PF, Zeebu, or Halp.

and.. I have no clue why I'm allowing scarlet off the hook lol.. maybe he has been dancing so well moon walking between making points and then removing them in same sentence he has lulled me to sleep.

Either way... if we don't get a serious train now another hum dee dumb town day goes by and we vote with zero pressure and zero purpose to expose anything of value. Just will be a guess if we go for lurkers but lurkers are lame and dangerous so.. out of frustration and anger I cud agree to that strategy too but it is a worse one.

[Jessup]

[5] Sherlock Holmes - Exalt, PartyFalcon, jessup, scarlet, voth
[3] Jessup - Sherlock Holmes, Zeebu, Kassius
[3] Beast - WillBy, the_paul, halp
[3] scarlet - m_leonhard, Vehicle, field
[1] willby - Beast

FYI, this was the final D1 votecount as far as I can tell.

From what I'm seeing, the Sherlock wagon looks pretty pure. Maybe PF is scum, but I'm going to just assume no right now due to my PoE.

Jessup wagon looks pure too, considering Sherlock flipped town, Kassius full-claimed, and Zeebu could go either way.

That leaves: Beast/Scarlet/WillBy wagons. Beast votes WillBy no matter what, so I'm striking that one down for now.

So whose left? Beast/Scarlet wagons.

Paul flipped Cult and Field came back inno through Voth. Whose left on those wagons?

[3] Beast - WillBy,the_paul, halp
[3] scarlet - m_leonhard, Vehicle, field

scarlet wagon is probably safest d1 for scum just because scarlet is ez to hate on and always comes out blazing d1. scarlet wagon is suspicious

[Exalt]

3 and a survivor maybe.
I'd object to a Vehicle lynch because it would imply not lynching m_leo or halp. I wouldn't object to a vehicle kill if it wasn't at the expense of a better kill.

Look at the D1 VC I just posted and explain why MLeo and Halp are scum, but nobody between Vehicle/WillBy/Zeebu are not. You've now given me hard TR stances on all 3 of those players, which means you severely just limited your options.

I agree that Halp/MLeo should probably be the lynch, because if they're scum, the game can be solved pretty easily through PoE. If they're town, then you're basically confirmed scum.