Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[WillBy]

Care to elaborate? Did you think I was scum before exalt voted me? Did you think I was scum D1?

[Kassius]

I'm unclear why you arent offering any more information. But whatever. You have your vote on me. Do you think I am scum?

Yep.

[WillBy]

If a voyeur watched Jessup last night, they would potentially know more than me. No need to out our remaining watching role here Willby, with Sherlock already dead.

I'm hoping my play has protected the voyeur from having to come out with last night's info if they also targetted Jessup.

I'm unclear why you arent offering any more information. But whatever. You have your vote on me. Do you think I am scum?

[Kassius]

If a voyeur watched Jessup last night, they would potentially know more than me. No need to out our remaining watching role here Willby, with Sherlock already dead.

I'm hoping my play has protected the voyeur from having to come out with last night's info if they also targetted Jessup.

[WillBy]

Of course it costs something. Kassius would have no reason to say that otherwise if the cop was paying attention, because if the cop visited someone else, they'd question why the fuck Kassius just said that when he claimed to have visited Jessup. Also, the difference between being jailed and being protected some other way is different, and if someone out there did it, they'd know. Besides that, if Jessup protected herself in some fashion, she'd know how it was done too.

Basically, it makes 0 sense for Kassius to have said what he did if he was lying. You could say it as scum if you left out the specific role stuff, but pretending he is likely scum after this is pretty dumb imo. It's pushing a bad narrative in an effort to redirect suspicion away from WillBy, who fucked up in his response to it. Also, if there are two kills n2, then what's to be revisited would be WillBy's role, since he claims to be voteless. There's no chance of that being real unless he gained something for being voteless today, such as an extra scum NK on N2.

So you agree that he seems like a voyeur? Then why can't he confirm that someone targeted jessup last night for kill? It seems like an easy way to clear up how paul died.

Of course there was something to be gained by risking votelessness. I took my 50/50 shot, I chose PF because she is good enough to be dangerous (worth it vs scum), but afk enough to not feel bad about the chance shes a townie.

[WillBy]

vote m_leo

Did you notice nuketheyanks posting D1? He's more useful than beast. afk or not playing is better than anti-town, especially considering the ceiling of the players mentioned. But useless/anti-town is only part of it:

To elaborate further- he jumped on Exalts traitor gambit, when faced with lynch he basically said this game is stupid, and he will continue to be a liability for town.

I think he would be a good lynch, but I remembered where we left off last phlate. Vote m_leo?

[Exalt]

"There's a cop in this game" costs nothing to say. That kassius couldn't be straight between saying jessup was jailed or protected implies to me that they know this because they tried to kill them. It's possible they were just getting various hypotheticals mixed together in their head, but it's still not nothing. I agree that it's unlikely that scum!kassius would say this; I'm coming at this from the angle of sk!kassius. I'm not pursuing it too hard because that implies that he's not mafscum, and it's pretty unconfirmed. Something to revisit if there are two kills N2.

There's something I feel like a lot of us have assumed but I'd like to make explicit:

Does everyone agree that it's extremely unlikely that whoever killed the_paul (including the_pau via recruitmentl) was a vig/townsided?

Of course it costs something. Kassius would have no reason to say that otherwise if the cop was paying attention, because if the cop visited someone else, they'd question why the fuck Kassius just said that when he claimed to have visited Jessup. Also, the difference between being jailed and being protected some other way is different, and if someone out there did it, they'd know. Besides that, if Jessup protected herself in some fashion, she'd know how it was done too.

Basically, it makes 0 sense for Kassius to have said what he did if he was lying. You could say it as scum if you left out the specific role stuff, but pretending he is likely scum after this is pretty dumb imo. It's pushing a bad narrative in an effort to redirect suspicion away from WillBy, who fucked up in his response to it. Also, if there are two kills n2, then what's to be revisited would be WillBy's role, since he claims to be voteless. There's no chance of that being real unless he gained something for being voteless today, such as an extra scum NK on N2.

[WillBy]

I've never seen a game where the cult leader was BP. The host of this game was shot as a cult leader in the last game, and the inquisitor was shot by the same vig.

There are a lot of killing factions that have a motive to shoot jessup, so the idea that someone shot jessup and was blocked seems perfectly reasonable.
"There's a cop in this game" costs nothing to say. That kassius couldn't be straight between saying jessup was jailed or protected implies to me that they know this because they tried to kill them. It's possible they were just getting various hypotheticals mixed together in their head, but it's still not nothing. I agree that it's unlikely that scum!kassius would say this; I'm coming at this from the angle of sk!kassius. I'm not pursuing it too hard because that implies that he's not mafscum, and it's pretty unconfirmed. Something to revisit if there are two kills N2.

There's something I feel like a lot of us have assumed but I'd like to make explicit:

Does everyone agree that it's extremely unlikely that whoever killed the_paul (including the_pau via recruitmentl) was a vig/townsided?

Kthx was supposed to be ascetic last game, but halp admitted he made a mistake N1 and it became even night only. So he was supposed to be bulletproof and more. That was role madness though, so maybe too much to read into.


Agreed on the_paul. We saw no other kills, and I would be worried if any townie shot paul after D1. He looked clean to me.

[Exalt]

I've never seen a game where the cult leader was BP. The host of this game was shot as a cult leader in the last game, and the inquisitor was shot by the same vig.
?

If the recruitment is factional, or the recruiter has a 'backup' recruiter on the cult team, then they don't have to be BP, but otherwise, you risk ruining the game by not making the Recruiter BP in multiball setups. It's possible he wasn't BP, but I sure as hell wouldn't bet on that. Also, the Inquisator role was just a glorified SK who could recruit if the player they tried to kill was protected. I don't count that as real cult.

[scarlet]

I need some personal protective equipment

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WillBy move your symbolic vote to leo then, if it doesn't matter where it is.
Is beast more useless than a player that literally never posts?

[kthx]

Would be great if the moderator could actually post the votecount regularly (or ever) then.

it's not my job to babysit you, if you want a vote count before I post a phase change countdown then do it yourself. Don't bring me up again over trivial bullshit.

[scarlet]

as well as the near-certainty that he was bulletproof. I've never seen any game with the cult recruiter not be BP, and what scum uses strongman on N1? It's common sense in my view how Paul died.

I've never seen a game where the cult leader was BP. The host of this game was shot as a cult leader in the last game, and the inquisitor was shot by the same vig.

There are a lot of killing factions that have a motive to shoot jessup, so the idea that someone shot jessup and was blocked seems perfectly reasonable.
"There's a cop in this game" costs nothing to say. That kassius couldn't be straight between saying jessup was jailed or protected implies to me that they know this because they tried to kill them. It's possible they were just getting various hypotheticals mixed together in their head, but it's still not nothing. I agree that it's unlikely that scum!kassius would say this; I'm coming at this from the angle of sk!kassius. I'm not pursuing it too hard because that implies that he's not mafscum, and it's pretty unconfirmed. Something to revisit if there are two kills N2.

There's something I feel like a lot of us have assumed but I'd like to make explicit:

Does everyone agree that it's extremely unlikely that whoever killed the_paul (including the_pau via recruitmentl) was a vig/townsided?

[WillBy]

WillBy Neither of the players you've gone after so far today (beast, exalt) you've actually called scum. You're refusing to post a reads list. It really feels to me like you've got no investment in finding scum.
Since I fully anticipate you bouncing back to beast in a moment without posting any reads:
Why is beast a better lynch than jessup, field, m_leonhard, or halp?

Regarding calling beast scum, here's my first post this phase:

I loled.

So where were we last phase? We almost lynched jessup, who claims to be doctor, and instead we lyched sherlock, who was the watcher? And these two were last minute changes instead of beast or scarlet. There was a lot of hopping around before phase change, I dont fault Voth for moving his vote off jessup though i agree with what Halp mentioned, it looked a bit contrived. Though the same thing could be said about jessup and sherlock, and there doesnt seem to have been anything there.

I still think beast is scum, though I'm open to other votes with any reasoning.

Also, hi zeebu, me too.

that's all I've said about beast really.

I dont think exalt is scum. He was a D1 town read. I actually thought he was jailkeeper.

As far as no interest in scum hunting, I saw a weird post from kassius and went poking around. And now we're here.

Jessup claimed doc. And with the jailing drama, I dont think she is a good lynch atm.
field is afk (and an old friend of mine)
Leo is a good lynch, I suggested we lynch him this morning. I would be voting him if I could.
Halp is afk (and an old friend of mine). This is normal town behavior for him. He is active when hes scum.

I mention that field and Halp are friends because there are prebiases there. However, I will say that for both of them, their skill peaks are through the roof.

[Exalt]

4 man scum team with a cult on the side seems unbalanced. Maybe it's just a 3 man team, but they're really powerful.

[Exalt]

WillBy + Scarlet scum team I'm thinking. I wonder how many scum have this game though with cult in it too.