Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[WillBy]

I'm the Town Wildcard. I targeted Jessup last night, in the hope of a protective or investigative role. I got a cop role, I investigated Jessup last night. I received 'no clues' because she was locked up in solitary. From this, I know:

a) She was jailed
b) There is a cop for me to have copied the role off

Oh, and I was secretly hoping to get the cult recruit power N1 because that would have been awesome lol.

I couldnt find anything on a quick MU dive. Alignment cop gets "Town" "Mafia" or "No Result". Unless it was a some random modifier or flavor cop, I have no explanation of your results. Then again, I've seen 2 roles so far that I've never seen before...

On a side note- dude, learn how to phrase your sentences. You said you were hoping to get cult recruiting powers, implying that you knew there was a cult before paul flipped. This is why all this drama started the first time, and here we go again.

[kthx]

The current phase will last until 7pm central Wednesday, June 17th

Vote count:

Willby(2) - Exalt, Kassius
Halp(2) - Voth, Scarlet
Kassius(1) - Field
Field(1) - Jessup
Beast(1) - Halp

No Votes (which is why I am slightly extending the phase) - Vehicle, Zeebu, PartyFalcon, Beast, M_Leon

[WillBy]

I guess while I'm still here playing with myself, I cannot think of another explanation for kassius's results. If he was a cop-for-a-night, his 3 possible results were "innocent", "guilty", or "no result". This seems closest to "no result" but you arent typically given more information about why there was no result. I guess I'll dive into MU and see if things are different there...

[WillBy]

I was googling around trying to figure out what fluoride and bad meat have to do with shawshank, and I think I found an answer for fluoride. Several games ago, kthx spent a good portion of D1 arguing about the benefits of fluoride in the water with paul. So I think this is purely *ahem* flavor here. Cant be sure on the bad meat part.

[WillBy]

Willby's been going after low hanging fruit all D2 but he's not actually wrong about any of it (beast is useless and sorta scummy by doing something with no benefit to town, kassius's claim is fucked). I feel like we wouldn't be here if he'd just posted a fucking reads list when exalt asked.
WillBy thoughts about m_leon after post #405 and field after recent posts?

There's literally no reason for kassius to have said any of this if he was scum, but I'm also struggling to believe any of it and he's lazily sitting on a wagon he didn't start and has refused to justify (while saying that he's justified it elsewhere, which I haven't seen and he hasn't provided evidence of).

Exalt's assuming a lot or claiming to, like that the_paul definitely died from recruiting scum, that there are no mafia jailkeepers, that kassius's list of claims make a lick of sense, that kassius claimed he visited jessup (he never claimed this). He's also throwing new (mechanical) information into the game, that there are probably vote influencing powers in the game based on his own role. I think he has no idea what's going on, which if anything is probably a town position to be in.

I wouldnt say I've been going after kassius today. I've not once claimed he was lying. I never threw my fake vote on him. I just think he is providing us a highly digested piece of information when I'd prefer the actual lead. I think too many people have read my interactions with kassius and exalt and think I'm attacking them- I'm just playing defense. I would like us to lynch m_leo or beast (yes, he still looks scummy).
On m_leo, he hasnt provided one piece of useful information, hes only echoed what others have said. Btw no, PF is not a double voter this phase, though I think that would have been a more interesting twist.
For field, I dont agree with his push back on jessup and kassius. I think we all agree that there probably is a protective role this game, and nobody has countered jessup or really gone down that path. Not using her night action for fear of protecting scum is typical jessup. Kassius has provided way too much information to the benefit of town for him to be scum. He could easily have been caught too, when he claimed jessup was roleblocked. It's either a grand conspiracy or it's a bunch of townies stumbling in the dark. He really doesnt need to be voting me at this stage, I think it's purely gut and the fact that I questioned him, so now I'm hostile to him.

Exalt wont answer your question because I didnt answer his. Now he has tunnel vision, good luck pulling him out. Until someone else has a smoking gun, he'll continue his TSA patdown looking for it on me. Which I'll be honest, paul most likely did the same thing Voth did N1 last game as cult recruiter(ish)- grab the best deputy you can find. Which in this case was either exalt, Voth, or I. He could also have felt that too predictable though. One thing I can assume is that paul did not attempt to recruit jessup or beast (and die doing so).

[WillBy]

Nice to see you all finally logged in to post, at 2am my time.

Nobody is going to mention that jailkeepers dont normally prevent their target from being targeted? Theres a variant, sure, but I dont know why weve been assuming that "solitary" is jailed.
Kassius you are positive that you copied a plain old cops action? No other kind of investigation? Because you wouldnt receive the information that jessup was in solitary if you just had a cop action. If you had copied, like I said, a voyeur, or idk a roleblocker, that might make sense. Can you please give us more details about the results of your night action?

[Jessup]

So you and only you can read it? I'm not posting a list for you. Weve had 4 people post more than 2 sentences since phase change, there are no reads there. You are being unreasonable, I'm not going to bend over backwards to push away shitty analysis. But I'll do you one better, since this is getting old real quick.

I'm a gambler. Made up role afaik. 2-shot at a 50-50 chance with whoever I play against (last night, party falcon). Loser is voteless the next phase. Which is why I'm voteless now (I apparently have no pokerface)

this claim is... dangerous.. mafia can have gamblers too

Mafia


Bookie see above
Punter (gambles dice rolls if he wins he gets 2 votes)
Day-Vig (gambles on dice rolls if he wins he can day-vig once) - can only win once
Counter Intelligence (sends the name of a player they think are the spy if they are correct the Spy becomes mafia)


As you can see all mafia blend in and gamble aswell

[Jessup]

The death write-up sounds to me like the_paul tried to recruit scum (“either he was around too much fluoride or there was some bad meat on the menu”) but could just be flavor.

PF jumping to this theory too.. i'm just suspicious is all.. I suppose the bad meat on the menu "could" explain it but typically they commit suicide as explained in mafia wiki

[Jessup]

Another quick little theory: scum did try to kill someone and they were blocked and paul tried to recruit a member of scum-team and died because of it.

I only mention this one because the death write-up doesn't mention a murder but instead makes it seem like he just turned up dead.

Vehicle starting this nonsense about a non mafia kill on T_P immediately after some hair brained theory that there was again 2 cults in the game. Muddy the waters more Vehicle lol.. there is no other cult in this game im 99% sure and why you said both these things I mention is scummy as crap

[Jessup]

The_Paul's raping days were over before they even started, either he was around too much fluoride or there was some bad meat on the menu.

The_Paul was Bogs Diamond cult recruiter for the sisters.

Zero flavor of a suicide so I'm not buying he tried to recruit cult and died this way..gonna start looking at who is pushing this theory he T_P killed himself.. I feel it was a scum kill.

[Jessup]

I'll correct again, I'm not the town voyeur. The town voyeur would potentially know more than me last night on the actions against Jessup if they watched Jessup.

I've let this cook a while, to see what kind of reactions would come out of my claims.

Truthfully, I now don't mind getting lynched at this point. There's several people now looking very shady and I think my ability to further provide info for town is now quite limited. So if you need to lynch me to prove my information true, go ahead. But I am Town, and I can vote against scum on lynches, so you decide.

I'm the Town Wildcard. I targeted Jessup last night, in the hope of a protective or investigative role. I got a cop role, I investigated Jessup last night. I received 'no clues' because she was locked up in solitary. From this, I know:

a) She was jailed
b) There is a cop for me to have copied the role off

Oh, and I was secretly hoping to get the cult recruit power N1 because that would have been awesome lol.

So we need to figure out if roleblocking can lock up a person in solitary of if jailer does this. A townie knows if they jailed me. Remember I can protect you townies so don't be too bashful if you have info. I'll be no use if I die. It is possible mafia tried to roleblock me or jail me themselves to make another kill last night. It is very possible they went and killed T_P and wanted me blocked or jailed. I need to dig up kthx reveal again on T_P's death but typically a cult recruiter commits suicide if they target scum which as I recall was not what happened to the_paul.. gonna go look now

[Kassius]

Oh and in case there's any doubt that I just pulled the role out of my ass to fit last night's evidence, I seeded my first two posts in this game with my full role name. It's there if anyone wants to bother looking.

[Jessup]

Keep talking Voth, You just seem scummier and scummier lol. You are voting for halp with your "hunches and feelings" ahain that have proved so ghod awful already and using zero real proof. Just be quiet for once dude and stop causing havoc. Your leading has been god awful so far if you are town lol... you really have some nerve to call me out when you are the reason we lost our town tracker D1 and have outed the town Doctor D1 too. I don't have to explain to anyone how I play my role N1 and you are just an insufferable townie the way you play. I am pretty sure you are scum tho anyways. You are the one town would benefit to go honestly even if you are town but I srsly doubt you are lol either way you are scums best buddy no matter how u flip.. u goon

[Kassius]

I had to google it too, but this is what I found: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...arole=Wildcard

My only question is does it copy only town roles, or does it copy scum roles too? Either way, that role could potentially solve the game.

Without clarification from Kthx, I don't see where it says it's restricted to only my faction's roles. Also I don't think it's as useful as you'd make out, the only time it gets useful is like last night, but I really don't see lightning striking twice. At worst, I'm thinking I could also pull the scum nightkill result. This tells me from now I just need to target suspicious characters, to not risk impacting town night-based activities, hoping to disrupt, investigate, or help confirm other roles.

Most of the results I'm going to get, are 'Fail' or 'Success', which isn't really going to tell us anything at all, I won't even know what role I've used. Last night was a winning lottery ticket, because I pulled cop, I got to see the role I rolled (sigh), and also got to see 2 bits of information at once. This is what I meant by saying, I'm probably not going to be that useful any more, lightnining isn't going to strike twice. If there's a second cultist, I might even end up cult recruiting someone and end up killing myself if it's scum, lol.

Honestly, thie game's going to be a bag of lols for me, the longer I stay alive the funnier it gets

[Voth]

Jessup was jailkept, so she couldn't protect anyone anyways, so why are people acting stupid about it? It was obvious Jessup was the best target for scum last night, which is why Jessup either got jailkept by someone else or she jailkept herself. Yes, you heard me right. It may be possible for some roles to put themselves into solitary. That would stop all actions from themselves and others. Jessup literally stopped a scum kill, so why are people crying about it?

Field, WillBy, Scarlet, idk 4th tbh. Lynch these people if you're smart. If not, I wash my hands of the stupidity.

What? Except Jessup didn't claim Jailkeeper, she claimed Doctor. And those are two tremendously different roles.

It's not the point that Jessup couldn't protect anyone (if she is indeed the Doctor). It's the point that it's tremendously anti-town to not protect anyone N1 as Town Doctor if you aren't x-shot. Why are you not making a big deal of it? The result is not what I'm focusing on - it's the lack of action and lack of intent that speaks volumes.