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[Exalt]

Jessup was jailkept, so she couldn't protect anyone anyways, so why are people acting stupid about it? It was obvious Jessup was the best target for scum last night, which is why Jessup either got jailkept by someone else or she jailkept herself. Yes, you heard me right. It may be possible for some roles to put themselves into solitary. That would stop all actions from themselves and others. Jessup literally stopped a scum kill, so why are people crying about it?

Field, WillBy, Scarlet, idk 4th tbh. Lynch these people if you're smart. If not, I wash my hands of the stupidity.

[Exalt]

How many times did I check the thread to see if I was going to get interrupted before I got interrupted.
At least 12.
Well, that answer my questions.

Kassius what does wildcard do exactly, copy a living player's targetable power?

I had to google it too, but this is what I found: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...arole=Wildcard

My only question is does it copy only town roles, or does it copy scum roles too? Either way, that role could potentially solve the game.

[Voth]

Tried to lynch me over something alignment non-indicative, then (deliberately) misinterpreted what I was saying when people called me on it, and more more importantly never engaged with any other players over anything else or offered any insight, then fucked off on page 10 without having made any signs he'd thought about anyone's alignment (besides maybe mine).
Post #405 at the bottom of page 27 clears the later so I'm roughly a thousand times less bothered by him now.
Whether he's able to string together a coherent and believable reason the next lynch he tries to ride whether or not I'll buy that he's town.

Kassius why aren't you fullclaiming? I'm not asking that rhetorically, you've unambiguously made your claims the center of town attention. Why are you telling us partial information when you're in a game with, apparently, two protective roles you believe exist? How can you not know whether jessup was jailed or protected by a doctor if you/your team didn't try to kill them?


Explain it to me then Halp, because I'm not seeing how kassius can both know that there's a cop and that jessup specifically was protected (actually, just this much is enough info for me not to follow), but also not know what jessup was protected by or whether jessup acted.

This is such a mishmash of information.
Let me get this clear

Kassius you're claiming:
There is a cop
Jessup was protected from kills N1
You don't know if jessup was targeted by a jailor or doctor
You didn't know that jessup didn't act
You didn't know about willby's gambler night action

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Just to be clear
Vote Halp
Out of the players who skipped out on D1, you're barely above beast in terms of productivity. I'm expecting to lynch between kassius/exalt/willby but that's pending on it actually going anywhere.

Willby's been going after low hanging fruit all D2 but he's not actually wrong about any of it (beast is useless and sorta scummy by doing something with no benefit to town, kassius's claim is fucked). I feel like we wouldn't be here if he'd just posted a fucking reads list when exalt asked.
WillBy thoughts about m_leon after post #405 and field after recent posts?

There's literally no reason for kassius to have said any of this if he was scum, but I'm also struggling to believe any of it and he's lazily sitting on a wagon he didn't start and has refused to justify (while saying that he's justified it elsewhere, which I haven't seen and he hasn't provided evidence of).

Exalt's assuming a lot or claiming to, like that the_paul definitely died from recruiting scum, that there are no mafia jailkeepers, that kassius's list of claims make a lick of sense, that kassius claimed he visited jessup (he never claimed this). He's also throwing new (mechanical) information into the game, that there are probably vote influencing powers in the game based on his own role. I think he has no idea what's going on, which if anything is probably a town position to be in.

OK - I feel like I just my eyes are being weighed down with concrete wading through all of this shit to be honest. Apologies for the lateness to the party this phase but I work 12 hour shifts and this last night shift has been nonstop. Usually have more time to read and post at work.

I feel like I'm going to throw up saying this, but I agree with Scarlet - Halp is my most solid scum read. He is taking a very, very overly reactive tone that I don't see often from him when people say something questionable towards specific people. Not everyone - just specific people. It's not coming off as a careful suspicion of everyone in the game like most townies should be Day 2 - it's just targeted indignation and outrage when certain people are questioned or worse, a suggestion is made that they are scum.

I don't know what to make of the Willby and Kassius situation, honestly. At points during that debacle I had almost laughed because both of them had said really scummy shit, but honestly at the end of it I just don't know. Kassius, can you clarify your role more carefully? You can target a player and then one of several actions might occur, and you don't know which until after it happens? I just reread it now this second, what do you mean by you "copied" the role off of a cop? The only options for what actions you can take are the actions of other PRs currently alive?

Partyfalcon on all but complete radio silence for this game worries me. She proved she's a dangerous presence when active and the last thing I want to do is let her skate to the end of the game without getting pressed at all if she's scum.

Jessup... oh god what are we gonna do with you? I am literally not trying to be a dick or a troll when I say that you are fucking beyond horrendous at this game. Awful. Just unforgivably bad. Why the fuck wouldn't you protect someone N1? So you don't protect scum? Wow, OK. Know what you should have done? Protected Exalt, who was visited N1 by two different scum factions who both were there to kill him last game. I just can't fathom pulling such an important role and just choosing to do nothing. I should have let you die with Sherlock, honestly.

Whatever. I'm sure I'm missing some points that I meant to make, but I'll fill them in as I read back again and remember them.

vote Halp

[Exalt]

I'll correct again, I'm not the town voyeur. The town voyeur would potentially know more than me last night on the actions against Jessup if they watched Jessup.

I've let this cook a while, to see what kind of reactions would come out of my claims.

Truthfully, I now don't mind getting lynched at this point. There's several people now looking very shady and I think my ability to further provide info for town is now quite limited. So if you need to lynch me to prove my information true, go ahead. But I am Town, and I can vote against scum on lynches, so you decide.

I'm the Town Wildcard. I targeted Jessup last night, in the hope of a protective or investigative role. I got a cop role, I investigated Jessup last night. I received 'no clues' because she was locked up in solitary. From this, I know:

a) She was jailed
b) There is a cop for me to have copied the role off

Oh, and I was secretly hoping to get the cult recruit power N1 because that would have been awesome lol.

Was it a 1 shot, because if not, you definitely should not have claimed that. That role is OP.

Field is scum. WillBy is scum. I'm okay with lynching either.

[Kassius]

How many times did I check the thread to see if I was going to get interrupted before I got interrupted.
At least 12.
Well, that answer my questions.

Kassius what does wildcard do exactly, copy a living player's targetable power?

That's exactly my interpretation, my role was only explained by a link to Mafia universe's description, so I'm assuming it's that, in its entirety.

[scarlet]

How many times did I check the thread to see if I was going to get interrupted before I got interrupted.
At least 12.
Well, that answer my questions.

Kassius what does wildcard do exactly, copy a living player's targetable power?

[scarlet]

scarlet why do you think M leo is scum?

Tried to lynch me over something alignment non-indicative, then (deliberately) misinterpreted what I was saying when people called me on it, and more more importantly never engaged with any other players over anything else or offered any insight, then fucked off on page 10 without having made any signs he'd thought about anyone's alignment (besides maybe mine).
Post #405 at the bottom of page 27 clears the later so I'm roughly a thousand times less bothered by him now.
Whether he's able to string together a coherent and believable reason the next lynch he tries to ride whether or not I'll buy that he's town.

Kassius why aren't you fullclaiming? I'm not asking that rhetorically, you've unambiguously made your claims the center of town attention. Why are you telling us partial information when you're in a game with, apparently, two protective roles you believe exist? How can you not know whether jessup was jailed or protected by a doctor if you/your team didn't try to kill them?

It seems fairly obvious to me what the situation with kassius and exalt is.

Explain it to me then Halp, because I'm not seeing how kassius can both know that there's a cop and that jessup specifically was protected (actually, just this much is enough info for me not to follow), but also not know what jessup was protected by or whether jessup acted.

This is such a mishmash of information.
Let me get this clear

Kassius you're claiming:
There is a cop
Jessup was protected from kills N1
You don't know if jessup was targeted by a jailor or doctor
You didn't know that jessup didn't act
You didn't know about willby's gambler night action

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Just to be clear
Vote Halp
Out of the players who skipped out on D1, you're barely above beast in terms of productivity. I'm expecting to lynch between kassius/exalt/willby but that's pending on it actually going anywhere.

Willby's been going after low hanging fruit all D2 but he's not actually wrong about any of it (beast is useless and sorta scummy by doing something with no benefit to town, kassius's claim is fucked). I feel like we wouldn't be here if he'd just posted a fucking reads list when exalt asked.
WillBy thoughts about m_leon after post #405 and field after recent posts?

There's literally no reason for kassius to have said any of this if he was scum, but I'm also struggling to believe any of it and he's lazily sitting on a wagon he didn't start and has refused to justify (while saying that he's justified it elsewhere, which I haven't seen and he hasn't provided evidence of).

Exalt's assuming a lot or claiming to, like that the_paul definitely died from recruiting scum, that there are no mafia jailkeepers, that kassius's list of claims make a lick of sense, that kassius claimed he visited jessup (he never claimed this). He's also throwing new (mechanical) information into the game, that there are probably vote influencing powers in the game based on his own role. I think he has no idea what's going on, which if anything is probably a town position to be in.

[Kassius]

For shooting down town doc with deflective idiotic reasoning, and our only town power role trying to start piecing things together with reveals( our town voyeur kass) and just being accusitory and accusing or calling people out while adding nothing themself to helping town. Field is leaning scum to me.

Vote Field

I'll correct again, I'm not the town voyeur. The town voyeur would potentially know more than me last night on the actions against Jessup if they watched Jessup.

I've let this cook a while, to see what kind of reactions would come out of my claims.

Truthfully, I now don't mind getting lynched at this point. There's several people now looking very shady and I think my ability to further provide info for town is now quite limited. So if you need to lynch me to prove my information true, go ahead. But I am Town, and I can vote against scum on lynches, so you decide.

I'm the Town Wildcard. I targeted Jessup last night, in the hope of a protective or investigative role. I got a cop role, I investigated Jessup last night. I received 'no clues' because she was locked up in solitary. From this, I know:

a) She was jailed
b) There is a cop for me to have copied the role off

Oh, and I was secretly hoping to get the cult recruit power N1 because that would have been awesome lol.

[field]

So you don’t believe Jessup, but you’re voting for Kassius who is the player who has so far provided the most useful info to us? Ooook bro.

I believe Jessup would use twisted logic to justify not using her protection n1.

What's useful about claiming there's a cop in the setup? You should struggle in explaining how revealing a cop's existence to scum benefits town. I know I am. The second bit of info, which was actually posted first, was provided in this post:

1 bit of info for us, want to be up-front about this.

I know Jessup was locked up, last night. It wasn't me that did the locking up, though.

My analysis of this:

Mafia wouldn't lock up one of their own. Jessup is town, someone protected her. We have a jailkeeper, which this game, actually fits

Mafia not getting a kill, and TP dying upon a recruitment attempt, seems plausible.

I'd be wary of anyone very quickly claiming that Mafia were blocked last night, could be trying to get ahead of the situation.

I am struggling with this post. My first impression was scum explaining away their failure by disguising it as useful info to town. And I'm skeptical of anyone dangling so many town PR's in their analysis of what's going on. Too much fishing is very fishy.

[Jessup]

For shooting down town doc with deflective idiotic reasoning, and our only town power role trying to start piecing things together with reveals( our town voyeur kass) and just being accusitory and accusing or calling people out while adding nothing themself to helping town. Field is leaning scum to me.

Vote Field

[m_leonhard]

Sorry all, just now catching up on all of this.

TP's death seems like he was most likely killed recruiting scum. So, this means that in some capacity mafia was blocked from their kill. If we believe that Kassius saw Jessup get jailed, but didn't see someone try to kill Jessup, that means that Mafia tried to kill someone else and was blocked. So, we must have some other protective roles out there. (Stay quiet though.)

I would normally guess that Jessup was the protector, but now she's claiming that she didn't protect anyone last night. I agree that this is a really odd move as a doctor. This could mean that Jessup is not a doctor and just leveraged a false claim into a night of protection; it could also mean that Jessup is a doctor and just...didn't; or it could mean that Jessup is a doctor and is lying about not protecting anyone. It could be that Jessup is a mafia doctor and is just trying to claim no protection to avoid drawing attention to whomever they tried to protect.

However, unless Jessup is 1) town doc, and 2) protected someone and 3) is now lying about it ....we still have an unaccounted for lack of scum kills. Still not seeing this all add up.


Re: Willby. If PartyFalcon could weigh in on this, that would be helpful. Although, I guess that depends on what happens if you "win" -- based on what Willby claimed, it sounds like it's just loser who loses their vote. This kind of feels like a perfect way to cover your ass without anyone knowing. ("As long as you keep "losing" then nobody can challenge it.)

Re: Jessup. I really don't believe Jessup's claim at the moment. This, like Willby's claim, seems perfectly designed to provide an excuse without any verifiable results. That said...that could have just been a very poorly planned strategic decision.

Re: Kassius, how do you know there's a cop if you didn't see them visit Jessup? I feel like there's a piece of information missing here that I'm just not seeing. Now, I don't think Kassius would stick their neck out this much unless they weren't telling some version of the truth, so I'm not voting you today. Still a bit confused though as this doesn't all add up.

Re: Field attacking Kassius out of left-Field (get it?). This also seems scummy af too. Kassius has provided us with the most information so far. Now, if it proves to be wrong, then well, good on you Kassius, but I don't think we should be lynching the one person who has given us (potentially) useful info this round. We'll have to see how things shake out soon.

So, I'm currently leaning to lynch either Field or Willby but want to see if PF can give us any more info before I make up my mind on that specific one.

[Halp]

WillBy's questioning of Kassius half-assed post is legitimate. He wasn't asking a "dumb" question, Exalt. I thought that post by Kassius was scummy and could only be made from an informed point of view. It's ridiculous NOT to question how Kassius has all this knowledge as a townie, because more likely than not, he's scum and feeding us information learned by his team last night.

Making WillBy claim was unfortunate, but cleared to me that he isn't voting Beast out of any concrete knowledge. I'd make note of the crocodiles crying about WillBy voting Beast.

Have to ask:

WillBy - if you're voteless because you lost the gamble, what did party falcon win? Your vote? Does she have two votes now?

Halp: You're forgetting that Kassius can be scum and Exalt town, or vice versa. It isn't necessarily they're either both town or both scum. I think it's unlikely, actually. The way Kassius waited for someone so he could piggy back and vote for WillBy is quite indicative that he's scum leaning.

So I'm going to vote: Kassius for a variety of reasons mentioned above that make me think he's scummy. I'll give a chance to Kassius to explain how in the hell does mentioning that a cop exists in the setup helps town, on day 2 no less where the cop isn't even sure of their sanity?

Jessup: For a self-declared mafia legend you still haven't figured out that as doctor you're supposed to protect the player that you think is likeliest to be killed by scum at night? Also, as a rule of thumb, it's the scum doing the killing and they generally don't kill each other.

scarlet why do you think M leo is scum?

Vehicle how big was your bong hit before that post?

Lastly, you newbs had Jessup and Beast tied at some point not long before end of day one. You couldn't, like, I don't know... signed the fuck off and had a beer while kthx raised the game IQ by a thousand points?

So you don’t believe Jessup, but you’re voting for Kassius who is the player who has so far provided the most useful info to us? Ooook bro.

[Halp]

Gonna say i’m definitely struggling to imagine jessup not using doctor protection because of the Unlikely chance she might protect a 3rd party that the mafia also targets on N1.

other town power roles protecting/watching/investigating jessup Solely based on her d1 panic claim doesn’t actually confirm anything about her alignment unless i’m Missing something. I wish i had info to offer, unfortunately, Though, i don’t Have any valuable info to share at this point.

[field]

WillBy's questioning of Kassius half-assed post is legitimate. He wasn't asking a "dumb" question, Exalt. I thought that post by Kassius was scummy and could only be made from an informed point of view. It's ridiculous NOT to question how Kassius has all this knowledge as a townie, because more likely than not, he's scum and feeding us information learned by his team last night.

Making WillBy claim was unfortunate, but cleared to me that he isn't voting Beast out of any concrete knowledge. I'd make note of the crocodiles crying about WillBy voting Beast.

Have to ask:

WillBy - if you're voteless because you lost the gamble, what did party falcon win? Your vote? Does she have two votes now?

Halp: You're forgetting that Kassius can be scum and Exalt town, or vice versa. It isn't necessarily they're either both town or both scum. I think it's unlikely, actually. The way Kassius waited for someone so he could piggy back and vote for WillBy is quite indicative that he's scum leaning.

So I'm going to vote: Kassius for a variety of reasons mentioned above that make me think he's scummy. I'll give a chance to Kassius to explain how in the hell does mentioning that a cop exists in the setup helps town, on day 2 no less where the cop isn't even sure of their sanity?

Jessup: For a self-declared mafia legend you still haven't figured out that as doctor you're supposed to protect the player that you think is likeliest to be killed by scum at night? Also, as a rule of thumb, it's the scum doing the killing and they generally don't kill each other.

scarlet why do you think M leo is scum?

Vehicle how big was your bong hit before that post?

Lastly, you newbs had Jessup and Beast tied at some point not long before end of day one. You couldn't, like, I don't know... signed the fuck off and had a beer while kthx raised the game IQ by a thousand points?

[Jessup]

Are there no players in the game that you think are very likely town?
Do you believe the majority of kills in the game are owned by relatively well informed town?

The chance of protecting a scum from a kill is way lower because, as a general rule, it's scum doing the kills.

it depends .. D1 I had no one I trusted so it wasn't worth it. I hope I get more info who to trust and protect as this phase moves on tho. I'd love to protect town when it has a valid reason to be done