HeavenSent is bigoted

[Richard Creager]

sage

[HeavenSent]

I'm still wondering where you found that Cain WENT to Nod to find a wife. It's true he went to Nod, but what's to say he didn't find his wife beforehand? Considering he married a sister or a niece or something, he found his wife and then moved.

Gen 4:16-17a - So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.

Don't see any indication there that he found her there. Plus, she would have been younger than him yes, but it's not like he left at age 2.

Behold, you (God) have driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from your face will I be hid; and I will be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it will come to pass, that every one that finds me will slay me. (Gen.4:14)

True, it wasn't for the specific purpose of finding a wife that Cain left. After Cain killed his (half) brother (Gen. 3:15), God bannished Cain from the homeland of his parents. Cain was made a fugitive and a vegabond; a wanderer. It wasn't like there were any roads or street signs saying, "Nod" with an arrow pointing east and Adam & Eve telling their first available daughter to go out and find Cain, the guy that killed your brother and have a child with him. Also, by your belief, There would have only been 3 people on earth and why would Cain be so concerned about other people finding him and killing him? Probably he was talking about other tribes of people... like the yellow people or the black people? Cain eventually did settle but it wasn't in Nod. When it says that Cain had his first child and built a city, he was by this time west of the Adamic land in the region of Mesopotamia (which means between 2 rivers, i.e. the Tigris & Euphrates).

A lot of the names in the bible are different from the names of people and places as we understand them in our history lessons. Sumer was one of the first civilized places outside of the land of the Adamites. From the cunieform clay tablets and the art found on pottery, we see at least two distinct people called Sumerians. The Iggi (also called Blackheads) and the Akkadians. the Adamic people were called Akkadians (which means Mountain People). The flood of Noah's time was not worldwide. It was in a bowl-like region of the Pamir Mountains. Chinese history documents the flood and calls Noah, Fuhi.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

There's some dissent on what the Hihking actually was representative of.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG202_2.html

[Kolar]

Sumer (ancient Sumerians) was the first civilization in the world. We know of no other society prior to the 3rd or 4th century BCE that qulifies fully as a civilization. Prior to this after 25,000 - 30,000 and up to 10,000 years ago humans were neolithic farmers and prior to that migrating hunters. There is no information within history about any place or civilization named 'Adamites'. Adamites were a obscure Christian sect in Northern Africa in the 2, 3rd and 4th centuries BCE that were very much unlike the christians of today, more along the lines of anarchy and sexual freedom. Cuneiform script. At some point in the second century BCE Sargon of Akkad (another city within Sumer) came to power (before this Sumer was non-Semitic) and ruled over Sumer bringing in Semitic languages and culture. This built up around Sumer and the surronding cities and dominated the civilization quickly.


That's probably the first correct thing you've said so far. There is no evidence of a world wide flood. The myth of Noah's is about rebirth and renewal nothing more. This would be a common narrative within all early mythos because almost all ancient civilizations were formed on river valleies needed for seasonal flooding irrigation (The Nile, The Indus ect..).


A lot of things you've been brought up to believe and want to be real/true/pure/whatever are myths. Some etymological, some are for etertainment value and some others with a message and a basic ideas (don't kill, steal ect..). Almost all are made up or exaggerated which are meant to give you a set of ethics and morales to live your life by. This doesn't make Christianity any less important or relivent, a lot of it is some okay stuff but you have to get out of these mind sets of blind belief, untested and unquestionable truths, religious superiority and interventionism.

All this information is out there. I used my high school knowledge of history, google and wiki to get it all.

[HeavenSent]

Sumer (ancient Sumerians) was the first civilization in the world. We know of no other society prior to the 3rd or 4th century BCE that qulifies fully as a civilization. Prior to this after 25,000 - 30,000 and up to 10,000 years ago humans were neolithic farmers and prior to that migrating hunters.

I know Sumer is secularly the first civilized city. It became civilized from the migrating offspring of Adam (Adamites) leaving their homeland (Atlantis/Mt. Olympus - in reality: the Pamir Plateau) prior to the flood of Noah's time. What most people don't know, including Christians caught up in religious tradition, is that there were 2 floods. The first one wiped out everything on earth. It was the result of Lucifer's orginal rebellion against God. The second one was the flood of Noah's time. It was meant to illustrate that which had happened and that which is yet to come. Although the one yet to come will not be of water, but rather a flood of confusion and deceit leading to Armageddon. In both instances earth is inhabited by angels/E.T.s. During Noah's time, the angels were altering the genetics of animals and people, creating hybrids; animal/men & angel/men. The hybrid angel/men, were giants terrorizing the earth. Had they been left to their own devices, the men God (re)created would have all perished or have been enslaved. Their purpose was to destroy the pure Adamic blood-line leading to the Messiah. (Gen. 3:15)

The First Flood:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was (the word in hebrew here can use 'was' or 'became.') without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Gen.1:1-2)

It became without form and void from Lucifer's rebellion against God.

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus has the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. (Jer. 4:23-28)

All life on earth effectively became extinct. Then God got a plan to reconcile and redeem His children back to Him... And He said, 'Let there be light.'

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (the hebrew word here for perished means, completely and utterly destroyed - no survivors) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition (means sentenced to death, i.e. the second death - death of the spirit - cease to exist.) of ungodly men.(2Pt:3:5-7)

The Second Flood:
......when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1Pt:3:20)

The story of Noah is a micro-cosmic view of God's entire plan; both for the world that was and this world's culminating ending. Noah spent 5 months telling people of the coming flood upon the ungodly and the elect in the seven year tribulation of the anti-christ (already started... beginning with the new pope Benedict XVI - [my personal belief]) will spend the last 5 months (the actual time the anti-christ is in public view) preaching repentance for the day of God's wrath (Armageddon) draws near.

There is no information within history about any place or civilization named 'Adamites'.

Obviously you don't know the terminology of families in the bible. It simply means the sons of Adam. :rolleyeso

At some point in the second century BCE Sargon of Akkad (another city within Sumer) came to power (before this Sumer was non-Semitic) and ruled over Sumer bringing in Semitic languages and culture. This built up around Sumer and the surronding cities and dominated the civilization quickly.

I think you mean, millennium instead of century. Actually scholars have much confusion regarding Sargon. The reason being, because Sargon was originally from the Adamic land. Adam's first 10 generations lived on average about 900 years. Sargon I (believed by a handfull of Christians to be Cain) is said to have ruled for 730 years. Secular scholars understandably can't accept that time span.

http://forums.stangnet.com/archive/i.../t-458769.html

That's probably the first correct thing you've said so far. There is no evidence of a world wide flood. The myth of Noah's is about rebirth and renewal nothing more. This would be a common narrative within all early mythos because almost all ancient civilizations were formed on river valleies needed for seasonal flooding irrigation (The Nile, The Indus ect..).

Just FYI, i'm not looking for someone to validate my faith or my understanding of biblical history and how it relates to secular history. If I were the only person on earth that believed as I do, I would be honored that the Lord would grant me such a unique blessing. Eagles fly alone. The Lord and His Word are far more real to me than this exchange with you on this forum. Judging from everything you've said, you're just a vapor... here & gone. But I know the Lord will give you a chance to live under His supreme authority during His millennial reign before He judges you, and I'm pretty sure you'll have a change of heart by then. For now, in this life, i could care less whether you believe anything biblical or not.

A lot of things you've been brought up to believe and want to be real/true/pure/whatever are myths. ......you have to get out of these mind sets of blind belief, untested and unquestionable truths, religious superiority and interventionism.

I could say the same towards you... but I really don't care. The Lord has set a path for you and you're gonna walk it.

All this information is out there. I used my high school knowledge of history, google and wiki to get it all.

the cunieform clay tablets

cuneiform script

formed on river valleies

less important or relivent

Unless someone asks how to spell something... correcting the spelling errors of others on a message board is to say the least,... anal.
It's conveying an idea that's important.

[Kolar]

We're not talking about history then. Nothing exists to support any of this. You may believe that some people called Adamites created Sumer but there is no evidence that they were from any other civilization. Sargon was from Akkadian (a city inside Sumer) and he picked Semitic Akkadians to rule over the cities within his empire at Sumer. He regined from 2334 BCE - 2279 BCE. We know this because Sumer was the first civilization to form a writen language and actually write out the history of their kings.

[DoTheFandango]

Dear HeavenSent;

The truth is, I don't like how you are being ganged up on (that's a lie), but you just gotta stop (that's not a lie).

You seriously can't just come up with shit like that. Sure some scripture said it happened, but if someone writes a book about how a whole civilization ran worshiping bologna meat-product, does that make that true? No. The word of people that thought the Earth was the center of the Universe should not be taken as CANON, by any means.

[Cops]

what about the dinosaurs?

[Cops]

[HeavenSent]

what about the dinosaurs?

There's a park in Texas that has fossil evidence of humans and dinosaurs co-existing together.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm

[Subjugation]

Oh, snap---he's a YEC? That's priceless.

[HeavenSent]

YEC?

Young Energetic Christian? :grin:
Your Everyday Christian? -_-

[Subjugation]

Young Earth Creationists.

[Richard Creager]

sage

[D1st0rt]

Considering that people thought the Sun revolved around the flat Earth well into the 1400s, I'm not sure we should really take the bible as scientific fact. It's great for things like anthropology and the development of human civilization, but lets face it. They didn't know a whole lot about how stuff worked back in the day. I'm not saying we know a lot know, but we've at least cleared up some key issues.