ITT: Religion

[Galleleo]

Bluebaze, the reason why people severely dislike you, is because you are trying to force your views down peoples throats, we are all fine with you believing that god created the earth and what not. But most of us here don't so there is no reason for you to factually state that God created the earth. All you have to say is: I don't believe in the Big Bang but in God creating the world.. that's all.

[Blueblaze]

I guess you haven't stepped outside before but thats called plagiarism when you don't supply the source. Its your responsibility, not for us to ask of you for it. When the public has found the source themselves it means you're busted.

Then wouldn't posting images which are of copyrighted images without supply the source at least be of equal violation, as failing to cite the source would also be considered stealing the original artist/designer/photographer's work? I do admit my err in not citing the appropriate source though and that is of my blame as it will not happen again.

[ZeUs!!]

[HeavenSent]

if you explain to an ant for weeks how to work out mathematical equations, the ant is still not going to be able to do it, it just doesnt have the capacity, perhaps this is the case for humans and comprehending how or why we exist.

the fact that we cannot comprehend it, and the need humans have to be able to comprehend it, is why many beleive in gods, its just easier that way, sitting there quoting bible verses saying God made the world, doesnt back up your argument at all, because those very verses were written by men just like yourself, men WANTING to understand, so FABRICATING something that allowed them to.

man made god, not god made man.

Right......... NOT
Man made God to fit in his box.
Man put borders around God as if He has the same limitations we have.
Man... a microscopic spec in the universe... trying to explain the One larger than the universe.. it's Creator.

If you had lived between 4000-6000 years ago, you would have seen an entirely different world. A world where extra-terrestrials were commonplace. Where fairly primitive men looked to these aliens as their masters. Then, from 2000-4000 years ago, the aliens were far less frequent but their residue was left here until Christianity spread throughout the world. Residue being the alien's offspring... Hybrids of them & humans... of them & animals. This was the reason for Noah's flood... To kill them off because they were an abomination to God & creation. This is why God commanded Israel to go into some towns and kill everyone... men, women, children & livestock. ...the whole town was a town of abominable hybrids.

The thing is... some people are sheep, some are wolves, some are asses, bulls, goats, etc. You can't ask a wolf to do a sheep's job. Sheep love Jesus... don't even bother trying to ask a ass to love Jesus.. it aint happening. Only the sheep have the instincts to know their Shepherd. Only the sheep will come to Christ. The rest will just mock what naturally they don't understand... or weren't meant to... they oppose God in this world because they opposed Him before they were born. This world is a reflective echo of a world gone by.

[Aquatiq]

I think if I studied birds enough I could learn a great deal about them.

edit: except for quail... those failures.

[Blueblaze]

for somebody who finds it so easy to believe that there is an eternal being that was just allways there and created the world just by willing it, you find it amazingly difficult to beleive that perhaps shit just happend that you are unable to comprehend.

if you explain to an ant for weeks how to work out mathematical equations, the ant is still not going to be able to do it, it just doesnt have the capacity, perhaps this is the case for humans and comprehending how or why we exist.

the fact that we cannot comprehend it, and the need humans have to be able to comprehend it, is why many beleive in gods, its just easier that way, sitting there quoting bible verses saying God made the world, doesnt back up your argument at all, because those very verses were written by men just like yourself, men WANTING to understand, so FABRICATING something that allowed them to.

man made god, not god made man.

It is impossible for man to make God, it is impossible for a creature to think of a concept that is higher than something he could see. This is why evolution wouldn't work, as how could something evolve and learn consciousness, intelligence, understanding, reasoning, morality, justice, and even the concept of God. Man can only understand what is below him, and nothing above himself. We can understand God, because God put that understanding through the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit within us. The unsaved do not understand much about God, because they do not have the Holy Spirit within them, but as you accept Christ, the Spirit indwells you and continually works in you as long as you don't deny and reject the Spirit's work. Think about every invention man has made or man has discovered, nothing is more complex then the human body. Man will never be able to create something above that, which is why man could not have created the concept of God. It is impossible to evolve and learn things through evolution when it comes to the spiritual realm. You can't evolve and gain goodness, justice, morality, emotions, intellegence, ability to understand perfection and infinity, because if evolution existed, there would be no ability and no place for man to learn this. All these must have been placed within man by a Being which is far higher than man.

[thesearcher]

for somebody who finds it so easy to believe that there is an eternal being that was just allways there and created the world just by willing it, you find it amazingly difficult to beleive that perhaps shit just happend that you are unable to comprehend.

if you explain to an ant for weeks how to work out mathematical equations, the ant is still not going to be able to do it, it just doesnt have the capacity, perhaps this is the case for humans and comprehending how or why we exist.

the fact that we cannot comprehend it, and the need humans have to be able to comprehend it, is why many beleive in gods, its just easier that way, sitting there quoting bible verses saying God made the world, doesnt back up your argument at all, because those very verses were written by men just like yourself, men WANTING to understand, so FABRICATING something that allowed them to.

man made god, not god made man.

[ZeUs!!]

[ZeUs!!]

religious fields.

[Kim]

I guess you haven't stepped outside before but thats called plagiarism when you don't supply the source. Its your responsibility, not for us to ask of you for it. When the public has found the source themselves it means you're busted.

[Blueblaze]

Apologetic is generally a defense of a reason, motive, or belief, atleast in any religious fields.

[Saturn V]

Well, there is something you can know, you can know God, that He created everything, not by chance, randomness, or a bang, but by the spoken Word of God. We are all created by Him, for Him, and without Him, we have no existence. This is why we are in debt to God, and anything less than our life dedicated for Him is sin.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1 Corinthians 1:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

I don't believe in your god or any god. Please shut the fuck up. Rhino_haha, care to throw out that Stephen Roberts quote a few more times?

[Blueblaze]

I'd agree with that, I guess. It's pretty much impossible for us to know right now.

Well, there is something you can know, you can know God, that He created everything, not by chance, randomness, or a bang, but by the spoken Word of God. We are all created by Him, for Him, and without Him, we have no existence. This is why we are in debt to God, and anything less than our life dedicated for Him is sin.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1 Corinthians 1:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

[Saturn V]

Then, what was pre-big bang, in your opinion?

Nothingness, something which the human brain isn't able to comprehend

I'd agree with that, I guess. It's pretty much impossible for us to know right now.

Also keep in mind that it can be argued that our Universe's net energy is still zero (quantum mechanics allows violations of the law of conservation of energy, which could have provided the initial energy needed to initiate the Big Bang, if I remember correctly).

[Dameon Angell]

Then, what was pre-big bang, in your opinion?