American Elections '08

[Vatican Assassin]

Wait, so he's adamantly supported less involvement of government in people's personal life and your claim is that the constitution doesn't guarantee the right to privacy... This is obvious but just because the constitution doesn't guarantee the right to privacy doesn't mean Ron Paul is against it. That's like saying Ron Paul doesn't believe in women's suffrage because it wasn't in the original constitution. Makes no sense dude.

remember when epi was trying to make that exact argument: that if ron paul wants the constitution to dictate policy than he doesn't want women to have rights because it wasnt in the original constitution? what a headache.

kolar, where does ron say he is against privacy, or is going to take it away? the 4th ammendment sort of goes into that...

[Izor]

Well 'minimal research' means that come election time, I will only have to research one or two candidates instead of about 8 right now. You REALLY think people like hillary will be around in the end? Not worth my time.

Politics is not an honest profession, despite how much you all believe every word these candidates are saying. Jimmy Carter is the last really 'honest' president that we really had IMO, and if we had a bunch of Jimmy Carters lead us ever since we'd be no different than Europe and Canada and be unable to stand up for ourselves. With my rant aside, I think that every American knows that politicians are lying when they speak.

I will also have you fucking foreigners notice that Americans have ceased to argue with me at this point. Whether or not they want to get so far into every election that they care about it doesnt matter overall. Economically, I dont have any reason to vote for a democrat ever. Why would I ever vote a democrat when republicans support the troops much better? Would I ever expect school teachers to vote republican? No, because democrats support them much better. Americans understand that within our country there are other reasons for how we cast our vote other than how the rest of the word perceives the best candidate to be. That's why you faggots dont get a vote. Jesus christ annoying

[Kolar]

kolar, where does ron say he is against privacy, or is going to take it away? the 4th ammendment sort of goes into that...

He doesn't think the Constitution gives citizens a right to privacy, and I know he hasn't said he would take it away as it's always a state decision.

""any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of ... reproduction"

"Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor"

Citizens have rights not states.

Yet he believes in Government not intervening in cases of personal privacy, wire tapping ect... Because that's illegal, domestic spying without court oversight. If I'm wrong please direct me to the proper article.

[Louis XV]

Well 'minimal research' means that come election time, I will only have to research one or two candidates instead of about 8 right now. You REALLY think people like hillary will be around in the end? Not worth my time.

Fair enough. But bear in mind that the republican candidates have a wide range of views and some of them may be entirely opposite to yours. Giuliani, for example, is all about gun control. Also, Hillary is doing quite well and has the most corporate/media/defense contractor support among democrats (that = big $$$). Disclaimer: I don't care for her either.

Politics is not an honest profession, despite how much you all believe every word these candidates are saying. Jimmy Carter is the last really 'honest' president that we really had IMO, and if we had a bunch of Jimmy Carters lead us ever since we'd be no different than Europe and Canada and be unable to stand up for ourselves. With my rant aside, I think that every American knows that politicians are lying when they speak.

Very cynical. Yes, most of us 'know' this. It's too bad we aren't willing to do anything about it.

Why would I ever vote a democrat when republicans support the troops much better? ... Americans understand that within our country there are other reasons for how we cast our vote other than how the rest of the word perceives the best candidate to be.

Actually, supporting the presence of our troops abroad meddling in various countries causes foreigners to be much more interested in our politics (because as a military-economic superpower, we have a ridiculous amount of influence over their lives.) If you really want them to shut up and go away, support a candidate that doesn't waste our money and lives interfering with countries abroad.

Oh, and if you're looking for an honest Republican who supports our troops, you might want to take a look at Ron Paul, who has the most support from troops and military families. (easy to find on youtube).

[Izor]

Fair enough. But bear in mind that the republican candidates have a wide range of views and some of them may be entirely opposite to yours. Giuliani, for example, is all about gun control. Also, Hillary is doing quite well and has the most corporate/media/defense contractor support among democrats (that = big $$$). Disclaimer: I don't care for her either.



Very cynical. Yes, most of us 'know' this. It's too bad we aren't willing to do anything about it.



Actually, supporting the presence of our troops abroad meddling in various countries causes foreigners to be much more interested in our politics (because as a military-economic superpower, we have a ridiculous amount of influence over their lives.) If you really want them to shut up and go away, support a candidate that doesn't waste our money and lives interfering with countries abroad.

Oh, and if you're looking for an honest Republican who supports our troops, you might want to take a look at Ron Paul, who has the most support from troops and military families. (easy to find on youtube).

Since you're somewhat agreeing on me, or at the very least conceding that I have a valid point of view, there isnt much to say here. I dont really have too much say over who is going to be around after all is said and done...but whether or not hes around in the end Ron Paul sounds pretty good the more I hear about him.

[Vatican Assassin]

support (v): to send someone to a hostile and far away land with minimal equipment indefinately

[Zerzera]

I will also have you fucking foreigners notice that Americans have ceased to argue with me at this point. Whether or not they want to get so far into every election that they care about it doesnt matter overall. Economically, I dont have any reason to vote for a democrat ever. Why would I ever vote a democrat when republicans support the troops much better?

Oh yeah you are a soldier. Whoever gives you the biggest bag of money bust be the best candidate. I would discuss values, but there is no need to talk about values with a soldier.

[Fit of Rage]

Have fun in Iraq, Izor. Glad you're there dying for a cause you believe in.

[Cops]

^ The Republican party actually said that in it's platform that millions of people are living free and happy because of George Bush. Some how, I expect history to tell a different story.

[Izor]

Im not going to Iraq....gg

Like I said, until an American tries to use logic with me about how I should vote in our own election, I dont care...even so I probably wont care. One thing I have gotten out of this thread is a little information about Ron Paul.

[Rigor]

My philosophy is pretty much the same as everyone elses...anyone but Hillary.

Don't really care for any of the republican candidates this time either.

Huckabee - another southerner
Giulianni - marital/social issues
Romney - seems fake to me
McCain - not bad, can get too emotional. probably too far out of it to have a chance
Paul - Probably not gonna happen but you never know.

It will be interesting how it turns out.

[gran guerrero]

Im not going to Iraq....gg

Like I said, until an American tries to use logic with me about how I should vote in our own election, I dont care...even so I probably wont care. One thing I have gotten out of this thread is a little information about Ron Paul.

I was born American, I grew up with Americans, and I for one use to be party-affiliated as well where I only voted democrat. I grew up though realizing this is just not the way to go. I observed just like any other American would (or any comedian attacking politicians would) say: Democrats like talking about ideals that they end up not doing, and Republicans do a lot of things that aren't too ideal. I think the two party system is a joke, that relies heavily on the hopes of an independent helping that party out by stealing votes (nader-gore). Political issues are always brought up during campaign elections but are ignored once in power. You're right a lot of politicians are liars and fucking deliver a lot of broken promises. This plus the electoral college is spreading apathy all over America where people just say why bother voting anyways.

I say to you and every other American out there that says man I'll just vote for the party I been affiliated with or I won't just vote at all cause in reality it doesn't matter. Stop thinking this way. DON'T LET THE POLITICIANS WIN. This is what they want from us, they want us to not care anymore so they can easily get in and get away with so many stupid shit they do in power. They rely on American apathy to not do anything about change, and if everyone can stop thinking this way then maybe change can happen.

Think of it like a sports team. You have to go into a retooling season where you just have to give up on people that's been there every year and yet you still have a bad season. You need to go into a new direction and sooner or later it will solidify into a championship caliber team.

Right now America is in a slump and it has been for some time. It's time to go into a new direction. Maybe that hope will come into the form of Ron Paul. Maybe it won't. But we have to start caring and change or we will never (in laments terms) make it to the playoffs.

[Vatican Assassin]

Think of it like a sports team.

It's amazing how many things can be reduced to a simple sports analogy on this forum. Man, I sure hope America makes it to the playoffs!

[Reaver]

See, I did feel similar to how some people on this thread felt, before Ron Paul. What difference does it make who you vote for if they're all lying bastards, waiting to get into power and make some quick money, right? Well, that's the honest truth, yeah. But right now Ron Paul and probably Dennis Kucinich are two candidates that ARE trustworthy, which is why I actually began to educate myself on politics. If they were all lying bastards, I'm totally with you, researching candidates is useless.

The truth is though, if all Americans become apathetic to politics then they get away with whatever they want. Sometimes you'll hear people saying the fourth branch of government, the media, is conducting checks and balances. Fuck that, the people are the ones that need to be conducting check's and balances, the media has candidates in their pockets. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a direct correlation with scandals and increasingly corrupted people in politics while voter turnout has declined. People need to start getting shocked and outraged at shit these guys pull.

Voting straight party is a really bad idea. I don't know what you'd even be accomplishing by doing that. If you think every Republican candidate or every Democratic candidate is in your closest interest, you're wrong. You can look at members from both parties right now and see some pretty big differences from the norm.

Edit: Nicely done, media!

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[Izor]

how has america been in a slump for a very long time, when it hasnt been around for a very long time (relatively).

Idiots post on here way too much. Please explain how the republican party will back someone that opposes their views. Please tell me how that can ever happen. When will this ever happen? "Hi, I'm a presidential candidate. I'm Jewish, pro gay marriage, pro abortion, and want to pull out of iraq immediately. On top of that I hate large corporations, especially oil companies. Please let me represent the republican party this election! I have a huge following in California!!!" This is basically what Im being told on here.

I'm not saying the different republican candidates wouldnt do anything different from each other though...I'm just saying that no matter which one ends up winning within the republican party, he'll do closer to what I want than anyone on the democratic side. Is that really difficult to comprehend? Is the two party system REALLY that complex?

Also, you're acting like the backing party has no influence over the decisions made by these people...do you think that the republican party is going to let Ron Paul pass any legislation allowing gay marriage even if he believes that there isnt anything in the constitution against it? Please use common sense. I understand how foreigners dont comprehend this, Reaver, but clearly you must