Suggestions

[Jeansi]

How about the whole winning team stays. Next time the game is restarted the winning cap and whoever is still there is put on Freq 1 and the caps start picking.

It would give more incentive for caps and players not to screw around if winning means you will play another game.

It would also make it less likely that newbs are picked. :down:

[Fit of Rage]

MVP lies, remove it. Its not accurate at all.

It's not so much that it's accurate that counts. The point is that since time race came about it's really easy for the terrier to get MVP and that much more difficult for the spiders. If the MVP system went back to the person with the most points, then that would probably give the spiders a much bigger incentive to try. Lately I have to rec whore (camp etc) and go like 75-25 if I even want a shot at mvp, whereas someone who went 78-40 won't get it simply because of my ratio. That's what ruins ?go base games, because people don't feel like trying.

I agree with you, however, concerning time race versus normal points. Because frankly, the game should be about the flag and by having a race it makes the game competitive until the very last second.

[schope]

just make go base mvp spider some way that who kills more and has more points get mvp for ex: 2 spiders A and B: A ->84-60 B->78-25 congrats A is mvp gg ez

[bloodzombie]

Lately I have to rec whore (camp etc) and go like 75-25 if I even want a shot at mvp, .

This is exactly why there should be no mvp. People are trying to get that instead of doing what makes the team win.

[Stabwound]

I agree and I said it before, there should be no MVP. Maybe there could be an end of game stat list (most kills, deaths, greens, points whatever).

[bloodzombie]

I agree and I said it before, there should be no MVP. Maybe there could be an end of game stat list (most kills, deaths, greens, points whatever).

I think that would still encourage crappy play. The only stat that should be kept is games won vs games lost.

and captain stats.

[Stabwound]

As far as ?go base capping goes:

I think there should be a cap blacklist on the bot (!blacklistlayer) that people with bot powers can add people to. Once you're on the cap blacklist your name will be rejected if someone tries to setcaptain you. The main problem with this is that so many people have bot powers that either don't know what they're doing or can't be trusted that this probably won't work.

I also find that many ZHs and ERs from non basing backgrounds run to the base arena and start the bot and cap any old retard that happens to ask. Most of the time these ZH and ERs have no idea who can cap well, and most of them don't care. I even witnessed a certain ER from a jav/wb squad make someone who I've never seen before a captain just because they promised to make them a jav in return. I know the staff members have to be trusted and it's probably not possible to exclude them from using certain bots, but I really think that becoming a ZH shouldn't automatically grant you bot powers in ?go base.

[Stabwound]

I think that would still encourage crappy play. The only stat that should be kept is games won vs games lost.

and captain stats.

Maybe so but it at least alleviates the problem of having to come up with a fair way for any ship to get "MVP".

[Fit of Rage]

This is exactly why there should be no mvp. People are trying to get that instead of doing what makes the team win.

A points MVP at least gives the spiders motivation to kill, not rec whore.

Although I would meet you both halfway with the stats thing at the ends of the games.

[geekbot]

Here's the problem with a blacklist:

Result of Downloading WoW Beta vs. I have 1000 ping >.<: 10:00 - 0:10
Downloading WoW Beta wins this game!
2:BaseAlert> A basing game just ended at ?go base. Another game will start when enough people are here
[snip]
geekbot> imo, the sharks are the most important picks
Niphyr> i see that now, im new to cap you see, i just want to get in
geekbot> [new shark] didn't do so well
Niphyr> im learning

Let me rant about this one last time and I'm done.

A blacklist won't prevent newbies from capping because they won't be on the list yet. I don't blame people who can't get in otherwise for taking cap- it's the easiest way to get in and if you type fast enough you can do it. But that's exactly the problem. Capping the first two people to say //cap is the WORST way of picking caps. I'm completely guessing but I think people do this because 1) they don't know a better way of choosing caps or 2) they are too lazy to take time to choose good caps.

The problem is- too many one-sided games or completely sloppy games like the 10-0 brutality I experienced above.

I completely agree with Stab that too many people have bot powers. Bot powers should only be given to people who regularly base. The number of people with powers should be cut in half unless those staff that are given bot powers are given specific instruction on 1) how to spot a basing newbie, 2) how to wait until there is enough people in the arena before starting a game, 3) how to spot a game that will turn to crap. ZH/ERs in TW are trained so well in hosting games, etc- why can't they be given a little bit of guidance before giving them powers?

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Having the winning cap (or the winning team) stay, I think will also help because it gives more incentive to do it well as well as keeping those who do it well for another game.

Is it elitist and keep the newbies from getting in? Basing is a highly team-oriented game and having too many people that don't know what they're doing can quickly and easily destroy the game. It becomes sloppy and the new players don't learn anything from it. Better games, I think, will also help keep the experienced basers around instead of getting sick of ?go base and going elsewhere like so many have.

It's better for everyone if the level of the games stays relatively high.

[bloodzombie]

when regular players first got bot powers, they would hand-pick the captains. People then bitch that the same people always got to play, but the games were worth playing... seems like a good trade-off to me.

[Stabwound]

A blacklist won't prevent newbies from capping because they won't be on the list yet.

The way to fix that is to enforce a "required # of games played" to be able to be a captain. I think it would be trivial to add that to the bot, and in general: if you can't play a game of ?go base without capping and adding yourself, then you shouldn't be capping.

[Adman]

when regular players first got bot powers, they would hand-pick the captains. People then bitch that the same people always got to play, but the games were worth playing... seems like a good trade-off to me.

i remember those days. maybe 5 people that were not staff had them. And every game was FUN. I played a base game for the first time in months the other day and i knew no more than 2 players in the game, i'm not saying they weren't good players or whatever But what i am saying is how does an ER or guy that sets captain know who to captain if they all spam MEMEMEMEMEME

[Dabram]

#adman

[Adman]

that would require adman!!!!!!!!!!!