TWL Season 14 Announcements

[curse]

You looked at what, 2 people from TWDT and 5 from TWD? That's a very small sample size, and when I look at some players stats i think i do see a difference, maybe you could posts some stats you've been monitoring so we can compare them. Plus one of the most important stats, how fast someone dies out of the game on average, isn't even tracked.



If it's controversial and only 4 or 5 TWLD players are using it, and the vast majority of TWLD players who voted in the poll said no, then how can it be worth it to raise the limit? You'll just piss a bunch of vets off for what really?

more people voted yes then no

[Vys]

For those who say I am not listening, I laugh at you. The only reason it isn't raised right this second is because I am listening. The majority of staff has wanted to increase it to become more friendly to all players, and there doesn't seem to be any statistical demonstration of an advantage. So honestly, everything in my head is telling me it's not a big deal, but I am withholding for now due to the fact that I am listening.

As for burnt's comment. It is 4 players in TWDT and 9 from TWD...not much larger but in such a small sample size every extra person matters all the more. I know of a few people who play on both 1280x1024 and 1920x1080, I will take a look at their time alive and what range they kill from based upon their resolution and see if I can find anything there.

Like I said, I am sincerely trying to listen here and trying to find some proof other than testimony and conjecture to not raise it. So that you can reference that evidence in the future if anyone ever tries to raise it on you again. If you want to help sift through TWD stats to help substantiate your claims, please be my guest. But as far as I know, I am the only person currently looking for a solid and provable reason. If you want it to stay this way so bad, then why not put in a little leg work and help a brotha out?

I've been playing warbird in this zone for just short of 8 years. This is none stop playing, minor a few short breaks. I've played on nothing but 1280x1024 res untill the last few months when my desktop died.
I am now playing on 1024x800 res and now I've gone from the player who was in the top 3 best in warbird to probably 47th best, just with a downgrade in resolution. I haven't lost my skill for the game, I've just just gone on lower res. Surely I can be a prime example that changing the resolution will just minimise the skill level. The only squad that will benefit are the svs chaos zone warbirds (sweet) with their mazes out res, sitting on the edge of their radar, running backwards sniping against the people who are on 1280x1024 res.
I know from recent experience, that larger rss plays a great advantage. When I was on 1280x1024 resolution I could see what the enemy could see on radar and I could predict when the enemy had energy to shoot from off radar and where they'll be aiming, so that I could fly to a safety spot. But now I'm on lower res, i get killed so easily because the people on higher res can see further on their res than I can. I coils be searching for the enemy but I cant see them on my radar and then all of a sudden BOOM! I'm dead. Simply because they saw me on their radar before I did.

[Summa]

I've been playing warbird in this zone for just short of 8 years. This is none stop playing, minor a few short breaks. I've played on nothing but 1280x1024 res untill the last few months when my desktop died.
I am now playing on 1024x800 res and now I've gone from the player who was in the top 3 best in warbird to probably 47th best, just with a downgrade in resolution. I haven't lost my skill for the game, I've just just gone on lower res. Surely I can be a prime example that changing the resolution will just minimise the skill level. The only squad that will benefit are the svs chaos zone warbirds (sweet) with their mazes out res, sitting on the edge of their radar, running backwards sniping against the people who are on 1280x1024 res.
I know from recent experience, that larger rss plays a great advantage. When I was on 1280x1024 resolution I could see what the enemy could see on radar and I could predict when the enemy had energy to shoot from off radar and where they'll be aiming, so that I could fly to a safety spot. But now I'm on lower res, i get killed so easily because the people on higher res can see further on their res than I can. I coils be searching for the enemy but I cant see them on my radar and then all of a sudden BOOM! I'm dead. Simply because they saw me on their radar before I did.

Your story is touching, but it is merely personal experience and conjecture. I want evidence.

[kthx]

You can't find evidence for something like this because there are too many variables to make an educated guess on how it will affect anyone. Sometimes good warbirds play bad, sometimes bad warbirds play good, maybe Xplayer gets 17 kills in a game and maybe he gets 12, maybe Xplayer plays a squad that rushes him and he isn't as good as handling rushes so dies faster, or maybe Xplayer plays a squad that strays and he is able to survive longer per death. Maybe Xplayer is tired, maybe Xplayer is drunk, maybe Xplayer is high, maybe Xplayer is on the phone, Maybe Xplayer is talking to someone irl while playing.

In a game that involves this much skill and involves this much luck and where how a player is feeling at the time or if he is distracted at the time plays too big of a part to measure the affect of resolution limits by looking at numbers alone. If you want hard statistics about this Summa I am afraid you aren't going to get them. This is one of those things that you are just going to have to trust the 50-60 years of warbirding experience who don't want it to be changed on. I know your thinking is more linear than most but sometimes you just can't deduce a conclusive answer with the question you are asking people to do.

[Cornelius]

1920 / 1280 = 1.5

the person whos using 1920x1080 resolution has 50% more time to dodge a radar horizontal warbird shot than a person who uses 1280x1024

Do we really need statistics?

[Summa]

You can't find evidence for something like this because there are too many variables to make an educated guess on how it will affect anyone. Sometimes good warbirds play bad, sometimes bad warbirds play good, maybe Xplayer gets 17 kills in a game and maybe he gets 12, maybe Xplayer plays a squad that rushes him and he isn't as good as handling rushes so dies faster, or maybe Xplayer plays a squad that strays and he is able to survive longer per death. Maybe Xplayer is tired, maybe Xplayer is drunk, maybe Xplayer is high, maybe Xplayer is on the phone, Maybe Xplayer is talking to someone irl while playing.

In a game that involves this much skill and involves this much luck and where how a player is feeling at the time or if he is distracted at the time plays too big of a part to measure the affect of resolution limits by looking at numbers alone. If you want hard statistics about this Summa I am afraid you aren't going to get them. This is one of those things that you are just going to have to trust the 50-60 years of warbirding experience who don't want it to be changed on. I know your thinking is more linear than most but sometimes you just can't deduce a conclusive answer with the question you are asking people to do.

Well I am making a little headway @ least. It seems that games involving multiple people on high resolutions tend to cause a massive fluctuation of mid range kills. Since the location of kills weren't tracked before I can't compare the players kill locations to before...dunno still lookin through stuff. You guys play so many god damn dds a day that its hard to make headway when you're flooded with new data.

[Summa]

1920 / 1280 = 1.5

the person whos using 1920x1080 resolution has 50% more time to dodge a radar horizontal warbird shot than a person who uses 1280x1024

Do we really need statistics?

The 50% would only apply to a shot fired from outside of the 1920 range, the closer the opponent comes, the lower that % drops. Looking into the range higher players die @.

[Zeebu]

is there an advantage of playing wb on a higher res?

of course. youd have to be stupid to see that isnt an advantage being able to see more.

is the res advantage going to completely turn the tables on warbirding in twl?

i dont know. i think its a little silly to say it will completely upset the way twld plays out. but i can see it a few players shifting around some.


this is my opinion. i am neither for or agaisnt the raising of the res in twld. i dont really care either way. im pretty terrible on any res.

[Cornelius]

Well I went to twd site and It looks I saw about the R1, R2 and etc rangers and u made me get my ruler and it seems like the distance till the R3 is more than 700 pixels. If the image on the site is correct I got 725 pixels.

725x2 = 1450

1450 / 1280 = 1.13

AT LEAST 13% more time to dodge in R3 horizontal shots. It can go to 50%

Now look at some games and see how many R3 kills are there.

There is a lot.

Yes, there is an advantage. There's no doubt about it. The question would be: How much advantage?

However, this isn't what we are looking for. Because if there's an advantage, it doesnt matter if its big or small, it's not what we want for TWL.

[sonlox]

can i play? i am in off season from mw2

[Ricko]

I haven't lost my skill for the game, I've just just gone on lower res..

and no more full charge "greens"

[Vatican Assassin]

put the TWL roster check boxes on TWD site now so maybe these squads will actually axe someone and provide smaller squads with more players.

i would leave res limits where they are, if you expand them you make some players a little bit happier, but other players will be really pissed off. if you leave it some players will be a little upset, but no one will be really pissed off. We can't afford to really piss anyone off at this point.

[Jason]

with a bunch of twlb squads downsizing, who wants to form a penedora farm squad with me?

[Rasaq]

Sorry! Don't feel like reading through all of this. Is there a set roster limit? If you haven't stated...can you please make a decision soon so that way more squads can form and participate in the league.

Edit: OK...even tho' it hurt a lot I went through it and seen the update.

[Vatican Assassin]

hey penetrate accuracy is forming, mind giving them 15 players thanks