Cloakers Ruining TW. Not "Balance"

[Stultus]

Tone, please stop with the off-topic posts.

We're trying to talk about Armored Core here.

[Ezor]

Weasels are so last week.

[Zerzera]

Alot of these pubbers are clueless people anyway, they think pub is about camping somewhere and trying to see how many people they can randomly hit before they get shot, hahaha the ignorant fools.
If you play for base you will have javelins and terriers (or even sharks can carry x-radar) around you that should be able to protect you from weasels. Even if they kill you, your team should be able to kill the weasel right after.
So the weasel isn't really overpowered, and I believe weasels have x-radar too, so you could counter a weasel with a weasel.
Just that you want to play a game that differs from what the zone is about, doesn't mean the sysopses of the zone should listen to your demands (and they won't).
Cloakers are part of the game, that's why it's actually an option in the settings. And I don't think you really support the mayority, you just have the loudest voice here.
I think you just should give it a rest and play elim if you want to play for kills, because public is really revolving you.

[Dameon Angell]

Tone is probably the type of child who would cry if they got killed by someone in Halo with Active Camoflage on and then continue to call it 'hacks'

[SpiderMage]

LMFAO!!

Sniping in Halo2 was so cool... i quit playing cause of all the annoying kids though.... The ENITIRETY of Halo2 is all one big Elim whining game... and don't even get me started on the bitching that goes on in the clan games.

Btw you missed out sword kills that somehow lag hit you from 3 times the distance they are allowed to. :wub:

OMG I WAS KILLED MY A SWORD PERSON!!!!oneone111!!!seven!!11

Oh... and forgot this one too...

'M PLAYING JUGGERNAUT AND I KEEP SHOOTING THIS GUY BUT HE IS NOT OF THE DYING HE MUST BE HACKING!!!!!111eight11!!!

I guess all the people who play Halo 2 must have written the game to make a glitch so that everyone, even then, just all of a sudden dies now and then.

EDIT:
Hope he never played Kingdom Hearts either, invisible enemies in that game there are.

[Twerp]

Chain of logic:


Step 1. You enter a ship without X-radar.

Step 2. I shoot (see fig. A).

Step 3. You die.

just think how much more fun playing the pubs in trenchwars would be if you wernt startled all of the time by a sudden X death, if you could really get into playing without that happening all of the time ruining it. it would be a lot more fun.

twerp - there is no strategy against them, you find an arena that has the least possible, you start playing, and all of the sudden you get Xed by one that just changed, just entered, or one of the few that were already there. ive tried that

There actually is a strategy. Play in a ship that has x-radar and then drive them all away. Hunt them like they hunt you and they'll get tired of dying and leave that ship. (May not be the best, but is one of the many).
Edit: Try different things. See which one works out. Gl soldier.

[Tone]

There actually is a strategy. Play in a ship that has x-radar and then drive them all away. Hunt them like they hunt you and they'll get tired of dying and leave that ship. (May not be the best, but is one of the many).
Edit: Try different things. See which one works out. Gl soldier.

Yes you do that and

1) you cant get ones that make a real effort to maneuver and also warp. it is So easy not to get caught by a terrier in weasel. id demonstrate with any one of you.

2) Ok even if you do chase them for 20 minutes and kill a bunch, you get back into the ship you want and do the thing you want to do and 30 seconds later BOOM it starts all over again, so what was the point, other than doing 20 minutes of somehting you didnt want to + it having no benefit.

[Tone]

Alot of these pubbers are clueless people anyway, they think pub is about camping somewhere and trying to see how many people they can randomly hit before they get shot, hahaha the ignorant fools.
If you play for base you will have javelins and terriers (or even sharks can carry x-radar) around you that should be able to protect you from weasels. Even if they kill you, your team should be able to kill the weasel right after.
So the weasel isn't really overpowered, and I believe weasels have x-radar too, so you could counter a weasel with a weasel.
Just that you want to play a game that differs from what the zone is about, doesn't mean the sysopses of the zone should listen to your demands (and they won't).
Cloakers are part of the game, that's why it's actually an option in the settings. And I don't think you really support the mayority, you just have the loudest voice here.
I think you just should give it a rest and play elim if you want to play for kills, because public is really revolving you.

Oh Please, camping is only one example which i do once in a great while. im talking about doing anything here. ok... "don't Camp" you just solved about 2% of the problem since camping is a rare thing people do every now and then. on top of that it makes one less fun thing to do, even though its done rarely.

Remember what you are calling part of the game... something that you can have no skill against outside of terrier and jav. something that just causes you to suddenly die in the middle of having fun and focusing on something else that has nothing to do with it. thats what you are calling ' a part of the game ' O come on

[Xog]

Tone, I believe post #70 " http://forums.trenchwars.org/showpos...1&postcount=70 " of this thread explains everything, and I suppose that's why you've ignored it. All you really want to do is whine and change the game just because you dont like a certain feature. Stop playing the fucking pubs if you don't like it.

[Tone]

Tone, I believe post #70 " http://forums.trenchwars.org/showpos...1&postcount=70 " of this thread explains everything, and I suppose that's why you've ignored it. All you really want to do is whine and change the game just because you dont like a certain feature. Stop playing the fucking pubs if you don't like it.

I havent ignored this. you speak as if all features are equal and balanced. this isnt a feature. this is a totally retarded fluke. if they never existed and were added just now it certainly wouldnt be called an added feature. everyone body hates them except claokers themselves. YoshiLobes probably loves them the most, he hits everyone and then PMs them with 'LoL' then always waprs on chase. his record is usually around 100 wins 20 loses, something like that. if this is a feature, its one that causes a lot less fun. this 'feature' is so different and so far removed from other things that you cant compare it and say "oh why dont we just complain about spiders too if we dont like them" that is a bad analogy and claokers are very different, this is just like playing and you just die, without seeing a thing, theres just no comparison to it and its a totally retard thing that takes away from the game. Especially now with the most recent settings where their population has grown so much.

[SpiderMage]

I havent ignored this. you speak as if all features are equal and balanced. this isnt a feature. this is a totally retarded fluke. if they never existed and were added just now it certainly wouldnt be called an added feature. everyone body hates them except claokers themselves. YoshiLobes probably loves them the most, he hits everyone and then PMs them with 'LoL' then always waprs on chase. his record is usually around 100 wins 20 loses, something like that. if this is a feature, its one that causes a lot less fun. this 'feature' is so different and so far removed from other things that you cant compare it and say "oh why dont we just complain about spiders too if we dont like them" that is a bad analogy and claokers are very different, this is just like playing and you just die, without seeing a thing, theres just no comparison to it and its a totally retard thing that takes away from the game. Especially now with the most recent settings where their population has grown so much.

You just don't get it do you?

One, if a Weasel is cloaked/stealthed, it doesn't recharge.
Two, if a Weasel is uncloaked and being chased, of course most are going to warp, why? Because it can get fucking destroyed.
Three, nothing FORCES you to play Warbird, a ship with NO x radar. When you hit Esc-1, 3 or 7, you play with the fact, the KNOWLEDGE that you are open to being cloaked.
Four, apparently you just seem to be a magnet for Weasels, because I pub all the time, Terr, Warbird, Spider, Jav, Lanc and Weasel, and I barely, if ever get Weasel killed, even by other Weasels.
Five, the settings for Weasel are fine as they are, why? Because the Weasel is now a better ship, it can put up a fight against Terrs because it used to be that a Terr could smack a Weasel like a fly.
Six, just because you want it changed, not everyone else does. Yes, there are some people on the forums who don't like Weasel but the more mature ones suck it up and don't bitch about it. Weasels are as much a part of the game just like firing down the tube with a Warbird, which something you never responded to, a ship coming up the tube all of a sudden sees a flash of a blue bullet and then guess what, it all of a sudden explodes. Same happens if you are spawned, across the map, across mid base, across the flagroom, from the roof, across the roof, etc etc.

Get it through your head, Weasels are meant to kill the ship that can kill ANYTHING ELSE. Don't you get that? A Warbird can kill ANYTHING in one hit, other Warbirds, Jav, Spider, Levi, Terr, Weasel(cloaked or hit with stray), Lanc and Shark. One shot, one kill. Doesn't matter if the Warbird is right next to you or across the base, and that's something you don't seem to grasp. Weasels counter that, without any danger to themselves aside from other ships, just as Warbirds can counter other ships with no danger to them. A Warbird can set up behind the Terr, rush in front of the Terr, flank, protect and patrol, get any amount of shots off it wishes(Warbirds also have high recharge, ever take notice of that?), it can fire and miss, and still have a good chance of staying alive, even in a flagroom battle. Weasels don't, period, end of story. So despite all your bitching, all your complaining and no matter how much you claim you get Weasel killed, Weasels will stay in the game, they have been in the game since the beginning, have been fucked with time and again(they used to have reps, did you know that?). It seems with your attitude, you haven't played that much, 've only been around for about 2 years and sure it sucks to all of a sudden explode, but y'know what... I deal with it.

So the point of this post?

F u c k i n g d e a l w i t h i t o r l e a v e.

[Stultus]

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

[Tone]

You just don't get it do you?

One, if a Weasel is cloaked/stealthed, it doesn't recharge.
Two, if a Weasel is uncloaked and being chased, of course most are going to warp, why? Because it can get fucking destroyed.
Three, nothing FORCES you to play Warbird, a ship with NO x radar. When you hit Esc-1, 3 or 7, you play with the fact, the KNOWLEDGE that you are open to being cloaked.
Four, apparently you just seem to be a magnet for Weasels, because I pub all the time, Terr, Warbird, Spider, Jav, Lanc and Weasel, and I barely, if ever get Weasel killed, even by other Weasels.
Five, the settings for Weasel are fine as they are, why? Because the Weasel is now a better ship, it can put up a fight against Terrs because it used to be that a Terr could smack a Weasel like a fly.
Six, just because you want it changed, not everyone else does. Yes, there are some people on the forums who don't like Weasel but the more mature ones suck it up and don't bitch about it. Weasels are as much a part of the game just like firing down the tube with a Warbird, which something you never responded to, a ship coming up the tube all of a sudden sees a flash of a blue bullet and then guess what, it all of a sudden explodes. Same happens if you are spawned, across the map, across mid base, across the flagroom, from the roof, across the roof, etc etc.

Get it through your head, Weasels are meant to kill the ship that can kill ANYTHING ELSE. Don't you get that? A Warbird can kill ANYTHING in one hit, other Warbirds, Jav, Spider, Levi, Terr, Weasel(cloaked or hit with stray), Lanc and Shark. One shot, one kill. Doesn't matter if the Warbird is right next to you or across the base, and that's something you don't seem to grasp. Weasels counter that, without any danger to themselves aside from other ships, just as Warbirds can counter other ships with no danger to them. A Warbird can set up behind the Terr, rush in front of the Terr, flank, protect and patrol, get any amount of shots off it wishes(Warbirds also have high recharge, ever take notice of that?), it can fire and miss, and still have a good chance of staying alive, even in a flagroom battle. Weasels don't, period, end of story. So despite all your bitching, all your complaining and no matter how much you claim you get Weasel killed, Weasels will stay in the game, they have been in the game since the beginning, have been fucked with time and again(they used to have reps, did you know that?). It seems with your attitude, you haven't played that much, 've only been around for about 2 years and sure it sucks to all of a sudden explode, but y'know what... I deal with it.

So the point of this post?

F u c k i n g d e a l w i t h i t o r l e a v e.

1) you cant get ones that make a real effort to maneuver and also warp. it is So easy not to get caught by a terrier in weasel. id demonstrate with any one of you.

2) Ok even if you do chase them for 20 minutes and kill a bunch, you get back into the ship you want and do the thing you want to do and 30 seconds later BOOM it starts all over again, so what was the point, other than doing 20 minutes of somehting you didnt want to + it having no benefit.


when you chase them they shut every thing off and recharge fast, theres no getting them, ive done it myself before you can make a terrier chase you for 20 minutes and not touch you once, its easy....youve never seen this before? when you shift boost , you do it at just the right time and the terrier never touches you. you can keep this up forever

again your making all these comparisons with other ships. none of that matters, all i do is play and BOOM i dont even see what happened.

theres nothing to deal with, its just like as if there were bug in the game and your ship just explodes. the only difference is someone is actively behind it

[SpiderMage]

1) you cant get ones that make a real effort to maneuver and also warp. it is So easy not to get caught by a terrier in weasel. id demonstrate with any one of you.

2) Ok even if you do chase them for 20 minutes and kill a bunch, you get back into the ship you want and do the thing you want to do and 30 seconds later BOOM it starts all over again, so what was the point, other than doing 20 minutes of somehting you didnt want to + it having no benefit.


when you chase them they shut every thing off and recharge fast, theres no getting them, ive done it myself before you can make a terrier chase you for 20 minutes and not touch you once, its easy....youve never seen this before? when you shift boost , you do it at just the right time and the terrier never touches you. you can keep this up forever

again your making all these comparisons with other ships. none of that matters, all i do is play and BOOM i dont even see what happened.

theres nothing to deal with, its just like as if there were bug in the game and your ship just explodes. the only difference is someone is actively behind it

Any ship can run. Stop complaining, none of it matters that you are bitching about being cloak killed, because no one cares.

[Sarien]

Remember what you are calling part of the game... something that you can have no skill against outside of terrier and jav.

Or Shark, with X.
Or Weasel, also with X.
Or oh, Lancaster, with a shotgun?
Oh yeah, Spider, with a machine gun.
Hrm can't even Leviathan bombs kill them from 1/2 screen away?
Wait, so, pretty much the ship that has -zero- defense is just ship 1,
the Warbird? Oh wait, that's right, it's really fast and maneuverable and could just simply fly away from an area full of X when he's got no terrier or other ship cover. That's right, forgot about that.

something that just causes you to suddenly die in the middle of having fun and focusing on something else that has nothing to do with it. thats what you are calling ' a part of the game ' O come on

Ineed, it's a part of this game. It's been a part of the game for longer than you or I have, even combined. It'll continue being part of the game long after we're gone for good, too.