Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[WillBy]

and will, that was meant as a question to voth like "is that what you want?" in response of proof if hes was to argue he was town. its his own job to defend himself.

Dont suggest others make bad plays, that makes you look scummy

[WillBy]

I don?t have a ton of time right this second and I?ll post more later, but I just read exalt?s claim. Why in the world would you guys not give me another night to prove my claim when, if what Exalt says is true, Rodney is 100% mafia? Really?

I have no problem sacrificing myself for town, but why do it now when we clearly have a more solid lead on perhaps the mafia godfather? Missa can wait... she has been defending Rodney non stop too in addition to what I?ve already stated about her.

you say sacrifice me and when I flip town, we go for missa. Why not lynch Rodney, who exalt has found is likely mafia, and lynch missa tomorrow when he flips scum? Why not sacrifice a mafia instead of a townie?

unvote Missa

vote Rodney

Why are we lynching you still? Let's see:
I think it's mainly because we already have the votes on you.
How do you plan to prove your role?
Exalts lead is equally reliable as this one right now. But your lynch gives us more information. Either you or my tracker is lying.
Why haven't you tried to discredit the tracker yet? I gave you all the information necessary.
Lastly, the mafia godfather is the second weakest mafia role (goons) and there's not much of a gap. I still feel comfortable killing you here, though in theory it would be better to lynch rodney and have exalt shoot you.

oh and Missa isnt the tracker. Idk what missa's role is

[ixt]

and will, that was meant as a question to voth like "is that what you want?" in response of proof if hes was to argue he was town. its his own job to defend himself.

[ixt]

some things i thought i could bring up that i forgot to mention: i was also aware of missa's exponential activity in the recent phase, most specifically after willby stated he had someone observe someone being at field's house the night he was killed as exalt pointed out. Now im not saying youre worth suspicion, just notable things to point out. and i completely forgot about exalt's role claim. with the two already dead (field, soilderz) and potential willby exalt plus willby's informant (probably a tracker of some sort along those lines) that already adds up to 5 potential power role claims BEFORE voth's as well. there is absolutely no way there are 6 power roles in a game of 13.So, if by the slight chance voth is good, willby's informant would probably be next to the dumpster before willby himself could be questioned. and this idea with rodney and exalt would be the prime discussion point of next phase, indeed. For me personally, voth is giving me vibes that are not quite the same as when he played bodyguard last game. He wasn't afraid to share his view and did not heed to openly question everyone, however this game is notably more reserved. As the phase is T minus 10 hours, my vote probably will stay (since in Asia time ill most likely be asleep) with what ive observed. and voth, if u turn out to actually be town psychiatrist, then sorry can only say my amateur read still needs a lot of work.

[WillBy]

so what do you want? Voth willby to state his source of info to lead to suspect you? because i think thats the only way u might get rescued.

Quit fishing for prs to reveal themselves. Like wtf was this post. Why would that do anything

[Voth]

so what do you want? Voth willby to state his source of info to lead to suspect you? because i think thats the only way u might get rescued.

Nope, they shouldn?t be outed until I am lynched and flip town, or preferably when Rodney or Missa is lynched and flips scum, I?d rather not sacrifice for no reason when we can lynch rodney

[Voth]

I don?t have a ton of time right this second and I?ll post more later, but I just read exalt?s claim. Why in the world would you guys not give me another night to prove my claim when, if what Exalt says is true, Rodney is 100% mafia? Really?

I have no problem sacrificing myself for town, but why do it now when we clearly have a more solid lead on perhaps the mafia godfather? Missa can wait... she has been defending Rodney non stop too in addition to what I?ve already stated about her.

you say sacrifice me and when I flip town, we go for missa. Why not lynch Rodney, who exalt has found is likely mafia, and lynch missa tomorrow when he flips scum? Why not sacrifice a mafia instead of a townie?

unvote Missa

vote Rodney

[ixt]

so what do you want? Voth willby to state his source of info to lead to suspect you? because i think thats the only way u might get rescued.

[Voth]

Guys, I have not read any of what has been said since I last posted. We had plans with friends last night. Just woke up. I will get reading and writing later. I am NOT rolling over. I am town.

[ixt]

eh i guess thats possible, but notice: voth isnt refuting willby's position, only explaining why he shouldnt be mistaken, and saying nothing much about willby's stance. If it was the case as u claimed, voth should be bringing up the possibility as u say willby risking all his cards gaining town trust. i probably need to mill around this a bit, but im still mostly trusting will being town.

[Missa]

Lol, well I don't entirely blame you for goldfishing. That was me, also. I had no idea what to post or what to think or how to figure stuff out -- I still don't. Which is why everyone will probably groan when they read my posts of really scattered theories. But at least I'm trying :P

I know Will is a smart Mafia player. And I think we need to approach with caution. You think he's brave for potentially outing his source of information, but think about this. He is his own source. If Will himself is mafia, he doesn't need a source, or he can name any town player he wants to off.

Will simply starts a train with some amazing evidence that he claims "someone" provided. Voth (possibly town), dead. Exalt will then come after me (town), dead. That's two. Will claims, let's say you for example (if you're town), provided him with the bad info. You now LOOK to be mafia. You get lynched. Dead. That's 3 for no work, just Will pointing fingers and everyone listening. And let's not forget Exalt, our vigilante that made a seemingly useless roleclaim since he said it was okay to wait for Voth to be lynched first anyway, also dead because of this. And to address your point about power roles, Voth could be a vanilla town player. I still feel strongly he is mafia.

Speaking of which, Exalt, I have believed you from the start, even though you're deadass convinced I'm mafia (which should probably tell me NOT to follow your lead). HOWEVER, I want to ask now, why did you role claim on this day? You want us to believe Rodney is the godfather, and I fully believed you and actually would even switch my vote.. But you said something odd. You said it's okay to lynch him on the next day phase instead. Why would you out yourself an entire day early for no reason? Doesn't that mean basically you get only ONE more night alive since mafia will probably target you next? If you had waited to role claim until the next day phase thingy, since you seemingly had no reason to do it at least until after Voth's lynching, wouldn't that have given you possibly two nights to gather more info/make kills/do you thing in the night? You may not have even needed to claim at all? Do you WANT someone to come at you in the night? Or were you trying to throw the information out there before you got killed in the night? But nobody seemed to be on you, so.. I guess maybe just a toss of the dice?

I almost role claimed to you, but I wouldn't want to claim my role to anyone before I ABSOLUTELY had to and I cannot see the reason you chose today if you weren't going to push harder for Rodney's lynching today. What did I miss?

[ixt]

u can consider this logic just "on the surface reasoning", but thats what i got. think about it, in a distribution of 13 people, it would realistically be a third townies a third with power roles and a third grouped as the mafia team. characterizing myself in the VT group, having two power roles already dead and willby potentially another one thats still in play, if the info source of willby is true, that makes a 4th. adding voth to that makes 5 total power roles with the potential of a 3rd party or a paranoid cop. that feels one too many of those, and i feel his claim is just to throw us off guard in thinking there is a potential 3rd party or a potentially confusing cop

[ixt]

imo, nothing much can save voth at this point since what developed with thepaul flip and making willby's position ever so high among all players. if im digging my own grave and voth unfortunately flips town, so be it. but personally am not buying voth's role claim, would make too many power roles in the scene considering two already died.

[ixt]

You being alive does not add up to intelligence or anything. Firstly, if you're not mafia, why would the mafia off you when I'm clearly on your case? That'd be a waste.
Secondly, the death count right now is moreso based on other peoples ability.
Thirdly, if you are even bulletproof, why waste a kill trying to kill you now?

You're alive because leaving you alive is harmless in any direction. You pose no threat. You contribute nothing at this point. You're like a goldfish. Just sitting there in the fish tank. Neat to tap the glass once in a while and spook you, but that's about it. :P

But none of this is an attack on your intelligence or anything. I'm just continually questioning WHY did you try to bait out power roles within 5 minutes of the game starting? WHY does it look like people are trying to keep you off the chopping block? WHY don't you want to contribute anything? WHY just follow Exalt around? WHY not provide logical reasoning to not vote for you or info on HOW or WHY you are innocent versus just saying "haha do what u want lul?"

Also, I have my concerns about trusting Will completely. I do believe him and his source at this time, HOWEVER if Voth flips town, we all need to be aware that Will may NOT have a source. Will MAY be mafia his own self, and in claiming to have a source, he is going to have Voth, Me, and one random other town he names picked off before anyone realizes it -- Which if stuff flips that direction, you being the first on Will's train will ALSO look bad on you. On the flip, Will could be a townie being fed bad info, or all this info could be good, we lynch mafia, and live happily ever after.

You following Will's vote train with no critical thinking applied doesn't immediately make you look town. If anything, it makes me wonder a little bit more about my decision on Voth.

i giggled a little bit on the image u portrayed, yeah i probably am playing like that right now, since i still lack a bit of experience. and as i stated before, if will seriously got the guts to oust HIS SOURCE OF INFORMATION as the first mafia out, its only fitting townies start fighting among themselves with his daring move. to me it seems unlikely, but if this day's info turns out problematic, willby just has to put his source of info out in the open. thats my thoughts.

[ixt]

Actually, ixt, the point you seem to be missing is this.

It *appears* as though Voth unvoted to save you. You acted super sketchy (which you still haven't explained). You haven't been contributing much to this on the later half of the game, which feels off. It really does seem like you're just riding Exalt's coattail, probably to save yourself. If your role claim is true, I know it feels like you can't contribute much, but you can. Use some critical thinking skills.

Why, unless he really just didn't want a day 1 lynch or unless he just didn't notice/care about the time and changed his vote randomly did he change his vote? I'm not asking why to you or him because you guys have given the blow off answers, and that's fine. Perhaps it really was just a bullshit coincidence and Voth doesn't care about what happens to you. However, you keep going herp derp I don't see the link. The link is that it LOOKS like Voth did it to cover you and if Voth turns up Mafia, you're going to look Mafia. You might not be because the_paul seemed to have it out for you previously, but maybe he was trying to cover for you because of your verbal diarrhea. Smart move on paul, if so, because it's the only thing making me question it right now.

The appearance is that he protected you. So you should probably start contributing in a way that makes you look good standing on your own. Being someone's voting buddy isn't a way to do that, because tbh if Voth does turn up mafia, you're going to be the next person a few of us are looking at. And so far, you haven't done anything to give a reason to be saved. Nobody missed the voting between you and Rodney. We all see you kind of mentally checked out and are trying to follow Exalt. So maybe you are just a lost town that feels they can't contribute, but if Voth turns up Mafia, I have a heavy suspicion you are, as well, and will vote accordingly.

And this isn't personal or whatever. I'm not sure if you're just trying to be cool about it, if you just don't care, or if you really don't understand WHY people think you look guilty, right now. And fuck off with cringy nut comments. You aren't that special.

u want me to explain how OTHERS think of my claim? sorry but i cant help others think, or be in other peoples' minds. if they disagree with my role claim, i for one cant help it.