Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[Exalt]

Since we are all fighting and getting nowhere, I'll drop my bombshell and let everyone sort it out, because frankly, it will help solve a few problems here on who to lynch one way or the other. I also think enough PR claims are out there by now where we aren't too far off from a mass claim anyway, and based on both my night action results, I'd rather town decide what should happen from now on. I also have a bad feeling I'm about to die soon anyway, and I want to explain what happened and why before I'm gone.

I'm Town Vigilante. I may or may not shoot anyone at night in an attempt to kill them.

Now usually, I'd not shoot on Night 1, because that's generally considered bad play, but with a No Lynch, my thought was that town needed two deaths, and shooting someone would be like the no lynch never happened. It was a win-win for town imo, and since he was already someone half the town wanted to flip anyway, guess who I shot at? Rodney.

Guess what my result was? My attempt to kill Rodney was not successful.

Now, I thought about it for a while as to why this happened, thinking maybe Soilderz saved Rodney, but that's a ridiculous notion considering he was trying to lynch him with me. Then I thought maybe, just maybe, town had a RB that blocked me, but then I saw field was town's RB who also was trying to lynch Rodney. Paul also claimed to be Roleblocked on Day 2, which I think may have been true. Then I thought maybe Rodney has the same type of bulletproof role as ixt, where he had 1 shot of it or something like that. The only other option is I was roleblocked by a Mafia RB, or Rodney has been protected by a Mafia Doc. I wanted to find out by flipping him, because no town PR worth a damn will have bulletproof, and mafia would know damn well I'd be using a night action on Rodney if I was a PR, so the chances of him being town in this scenario were slim to none, but I didn't get the lynch.

So Night 2 rolls around, and I still wanted to confirm that Rodney in fact was not simply the 1-shot bulletproof 'Vanilla' type of character, and thinking the chance of Rodney being scum was even higher after Paul's flip, I shot at him once more.

Guess what my result was? My attempt to make Rodney mysteriously suicide himself wasn't successful (I told fiS to please allow him to die of suicide by way of two shots to the back of the head). Sadly, Rodney just won't die.

So here I was, thinking wtf is going on, because either I'm being perpetually roleblocked all damn game, Rodney is protected by a Mafia Doc, or he is permanently Bulletproof. There's no other possible reason for it. Now, I recently was told that field RB'd Rodney Night 2, so that takes away any possibility that town influence was the reason I was stopped from killing his ass. That leaves one of two options ladies and gentlemen: either Rodney is Bulletproof, or he is protected by Mafia. That's it.

So, knowing that he is either protected by scum RB or Doctor (which only happens if he is scum), or that he is bulletproof, I went digging for any role that may in-fact have that bulletproof label. Guess what? Town PRs don't have it for obvious balance reasons. Instead, I found one very telling role that could: Godfather https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Godfather. Just to make this clear, let me quote the Mafia wiki:


"In games with multiple killers, instead of appearing innocent on Cop reports, the Godfather may be Bulletproof instead; they will appear guilty on Cop reports as normal, but cannot be killed at Night. (This has also been called Mafia Tough Guy.) Some games offer Godfathers both investigation- and kill-immunity simultaneously."


So as you can see, I've been asking Rodney to claim or get lynched for two days now, because there's no reason whatsoever for him to not do so under any circumstances as town if he is actually bulletproof, and there are no possibilities that I can think of that scum would protect him perpetually every night as well as during the day phases. Anyone that's paid attention to this game has known that I've been after Rodney since the beginning, so it's easy to guess what my potential night actions would be. It's possible that I've been roleblocked by scum two nights in a row, but that would mean that Paul either investigated me Night 1 and knew I was vigilante/told him scum buddies (he was saying he thought there was one), or they simply didn't care about any other possible town PR in the game and just stuck to me for no reason two nights in a row. The other option is I've hit Rodney twice, and he was either protected twice by scum (since town Doc is dead and town RB never blocked me), or he is in-fact, permanently bulletproof. The only possible permanent bulletproof role in the game is Godfather, and the only way a scum Doctor would protect Rodney every night is if he is the Godfather. The only other role possible is if Rodney is Mafia Roleblocker and he figured I was going to use a night action of some sort on him both nights.

I'll let you all sort through this, because that's the evidence I have against Rodney. I wanted him to be forced to claim, but none of you wanted to do that. You all protected him regardless of hints given not to, and he has done jack shit all game to find scum in any way/shape/form. He only talks when he has votes on him, and each wagon is quickly derailed as fast as possible by other players defending him up and down. There's less reason to believe Rodney is town than someone like ixt even, so why the hell is he being protected in the daytime to go along with two nights in a row?

Speaking of which, if I have been perpetually RB'd by scum, you are all welcome. That said, if Voth flips town today, I'm shooting Missa. That's my solution to this dilemma. Rodney apparently won't die at night ever, so you will have to lynch him eventually if you want to win this game. He's not town, and I'm willing to bet everything on that, but that's up to you all to finally realize once I'm gone. Hopefully, Voth will be Scum's Roleblocker, but if not, I guess they will have to decide which PR to kill this time, because assuming Missa and WillBy aren't both lying, scum have to make a choice, and WillBy has a roleblock left.

Anyway, if Voth is town, Missa gets shot. That's my plan. If I'm roleblocked again, then I at least gave you all 3 straight nights to do whatever you want with your actions, so make them count. Also, please for the love of God, lynch Rodney when he refuses to claim. He can now use what I've said to make up some bullshit role like Voth seemingly just died and Paul tried yesterday, but you all didn't want to let me catch him in an easy lie, so it has to be the hard way I guess.

[Zeebu]

ok, what a mess.

started off with exalt vs rodney again, but this time missa came to rodney's defense and then voted voth out of the blue while badmouthing ixt. nothing about that sounds remotely consistent with much of anything. its all sort of swept under the rug after that because:

willby drops a bomb that hes been in contact with a tracker that saw voth visit field. votes on voth ensue until he role claims psychiatrist that can cure SKs and paranoid cops. also theres some mechanic that lets any mafia people see that he targetted them. he then said that he didnt visit field, but visited missa instead.

so first point of contention there, willby is the closest thing to a town lock we have at the moment and his tracker source information goes against what voth himself said. im guessing willby is looking into this one, especially since they came to him before the night phase. maybe more information to come there.

back to voth's role claim, it just doesnt make a ton of sense. it seems unlikely that theres an SK in the game simply due to number of kills. the only way i can see this is if mafia kill failed night 1 since the first kill said something about blood and the second was more subdued. that seems highly unlikely since field confirmed to willby that he blocked the_paul and since paul was the cop it would stand to reason that he actually tried to investigate not get sent to kill. i dont see an SK being in the game. the paranoid cop fix seems at least a little more viable in this game and leaving it at that might have been more believable. the part that doesnt make sense is the informing a mafia if voth tries to treat them. it seems like a very odd mechanic since the mafia already know who each other are and who arent. it would certainly be against the mafia's wishes to have sane cop in the game, but still seems like a tough sell. on top of that we would likely have 2 nights worth of paranoid cop results floating around out there sowing more confusion.

i just dont buy it right now

[WillBy]

im back in the land of the living, had today off and travelled to family for easter weekend. lots to catch up on, give me a few minutes

Got anything for us here?

[Zeebu]

im back in the land of the living, had today off and travelled to family for easter weekend. lots to catch up on, give me a few minutes

[BIET]

Obviously not asking you to come forward btw... but if this sounds like you, just know that the reason you are paranoid is built in to the game and I can get you sane later on if I survive. And a vote of good confidence would help... just make yourself blend in.

How do you see this working out? For you to know which player to cure they need to either contact you directly or via someone else. In both cases you get the name. And when you cure someone, does this happen before or after the players action? I also don't think it affects the previous results if the player was paranoid. So only a paranoid cop would benefit from your treatment, but you suggest for them to wait to get treated? That doesn't make sense.

If you got guilty on either soil or field and suspect you are an insane cop you already know how to handle your results, no need for a cure I don't think. This all makes your role claim tough to either confirm or deny.

What's up with midoent popping up every phase, putting in a vote, and disappear again? If anyone would be a SK in this game I highly suspect it to be midoent, but otherwise have zero reads on him.

Having doubted voth's claim it would be weird for me to vote anyone but him at this point, combined with previous suspicion which was admittedly based on day 1 results.

VOTE: voth

[Undercut]

Vote: Voth

I just don't feel good about voth's claim here. I've had my suspicions about him for a while now and I'm more inclined to go with willby at this point.

[WillBy]

Did field actually state that he roleblocked the_paul? Or did the_paul just say he was blocked? I think it's the latter, and I think you're using a scum's word to counter my idea, which is kind of odd.

Field confirmed before his death

[RoDNeY]

nvm gotta read undercuts post noticed he just posted while i was posting

[RoDNeY]

Ok so i agree with some points on Voths side but i also agree with points on Missa's side

Voth mentioned that Zeebu had brought up Voth being a third party role earlier in the game, i actually questioned Zeebu when he said that and asked why would he think there was a third party? To which he replied

i'll admit its a bit of a stretch, but he is one of the folks directly responsible for the day 1 no lynch. i was trying to think of other reasons why that could be and for someone like a cult leader it would be the perfect outcome. exalt already gave us the odds why its bad for town, but it would be excellent for a cult. more townies ups the odds of not dying trying to recruit. then i call him wishy washy since he hadnt seemed to commit to any actions until voting paul.

Zeebu mentioned Cult leader being the possible third party, nothing about an SK but still strikes as odd that he would even bring up a third party to begin with when we had no indication of a third party existing.

I dont see where the reasoning comes from for Voth to believe Missa to be the informant telling willby tracking results besides his own paranoia. Missa didnt even come into this phase gunning for Voth she came in still hot for ixt which i kind of agree with her here because ixt dropped the scum tells from the beginning, "role claimed" on Day 1 and has just been hanging like a dingleberry from exalts ass.

Willby is actually the one who came out with "informant results" and started this push on Voth not Missa.

Voth is claiming he didnt visit field whatsoever? No idea if this is Voths attempt to discredit the informant tracker and place doubt into willby or what but it adds another layer to this situation. This lynch could actually help town to recognize another possible town role through Willby. Willby is borderline confirmed town with his results that led to the lynch of scum cop The_Paul, if these results come back with Voth being scum as well then we can confirm his tracker informant to be town. If not then Willby is definitely being played here.

Ive also seen in the past the Serial Killer actually come out and claim Psychiatrist in an attempt to lure out the real psychiatrist and kill him so that the SK cannot be stopped for the remainder of the game. This could be an option here with Voth as well.

In summary, if Voth flips scum, tracker is confirmed town through willby, win for town. If Voth flips SK, win for town. If Voth flips town psych, Willby should give up the deets on his tracker informant because they are a fraud and we become aware of a Serial Killer amongst us. Not sure if i would label this exactly a win for town since we lose a townie but we will learn of a fraudster and learn more information about the layout of this game by knowing a third party is present. As for Missa im still kind of failing to see her involvement besides Voths claim that she is mafia based off his "role conditions" unless i drastically missed something here.

I would still like to hear from Undercut though, guy still hella sus in my eyes

[Undercut]

Wow! Look at that, how things change in just a few hours. Okay, that is quite an accusation, and I suppose there is no reason for me not to roleclaim now, as there is an inevitable dogpile coming my way:

I am the Town Psychiatrist.

My role has had a few minor modifications. I had never heard of this role before but it appears that the Psychiatrist, if successful, turns a Serial Killer into a vanilla townie, through a successful night action.

Now, my role PM stated that I am the town psychiatrist, and each night, I can prescribe anti-psychotic medication to a player of my choice. Here is where it gets a little different. If the player is SK, they will be turned into a vanilla townie. If the player is a town-aligned paranoid Cop, they will be turned into a regular Sane cop. This, from my research, is not a normal ability that the role has. The disclaimer was that there may be an SK in the game, there may be a paranoid cop in the game, or there may be both. Also, as if that was not enough, I was told that if I target a mafia aligned player, they will be notified of it. This was a huge issue for me on deciding how to beat play my role. Now, I was instructed that I would receive the following results: if I successfully prescribed medication to a SK or paranoid cop, I would get a ?successful? result. If the person I targeted was not either of those roles, I would get a ?failed? result. No further information on what role they were would be provided.

I did not target anyone Night 1 because I was not willing to risk a mafia target and outing myself that early. Last night, I targeted Missa. The reason I targeted Missa was because she has been so unbelievably quiet the entire game and has come off to me as not wanting to ruffle feathers or really make any accusatory statements. I believed that this is classic conduct of a
SK who wants to fly under the radar until late in the game. Why did I use an action on Night 2? Because I did not want to flounder all game, and I saw Missa?s overplayed na?vet? about the game and lurking behavior compelling that she might be an SK.

This just sounds way too convenient to be true. You absolutely knew there would be nobody to counter-claim psychiatrist in this game. It's way too uncommon of a role and there isn't a way to refute it. If you do flip town then we have a number of targets to go after and this lynch would certainly help us getting to the mafia.

Also do you happen to know exactly what the mafia learn when you try to target them then? Do they just get some kind of message that you targeted them or that you tried to "cure" them? Even just knowing that they were targeted seems incredibly imbalanced. That being said, you've had missa on your scum list this entire game even going back to day 1, why would you try to target her if you thought she was scum knowing that you would be outed?

i agree with Exalt that Missa has been scummy so far, the question being if the ?I am new? shtick she is playing is legitimate or if it is just a nice excuse.

Day 1...

Missa: Not sure what to make of her silence. I know she's new at this, but I don't think Missa is dumb, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was mafia and playing a quiet, careful game because that's the way she thinks it should be played. I am leaning towards possible mafia.

Day 2...

You're not stupid voth, why would you willingly target someone you think is mafia? You say you didn't bother trying to target someone night one because you didn't want to risk being outed by the mafia, then on night 2 you immediately target someone you have called out not once but twice as mafia?

Also WillBy, no Town role in the entire game of mafia that I know of is ever allowed to protect themselves at night, not Doctor, not Bodyguard, not Jailkeeper, not Guardian Angel, not Hero, nothing. The only ones that can is a third party Hider (sort of) and Commuter roles, neither of which you claimed. I guess we will see though.

Just an aside here, I have played a couple mafia games on this forum and have been able to target myself as some kind of protection role. I was able to target myself just last game as a bus driver and that usual isn't allowed to happen.

[Voth]

And to your second portion, assuming that is true, I would assume you have a mafia "tracker" who is trying to align with town from within, and when the results of my night 2 action came out, they decided to make a train for me.

[Voth]

Nice try, except we all know who field roleblocked night 1. Let's see who's been playing attention.

Secondly, and I feel worse about this one, the tracker actually claimed to me before the this day phase began. So it would be pretty difficult for them to suddenly claim this detail. What I mean is your theory that they hatched this claim after your result isnt true. What's more likely is that my tracker fake claimed entirely, but that has nothing to do with Missa.

Did field actually state that he roleblocked the_paul? Or did the_paul just say he was blocked? I think it's the latter, and I think you're using a scum's word to counter my idea, which is kind of odd.

[WillBy]

I'm happy to go after my tracker if Voth turns up town, but we've got quite a list already with Rodney too. I'll probably make a full list tonight when I get home.
fiS are we still on schedule for 48 hour phase changes going into this weekend?

[WillBy]

I agree, the lack of 2 nightkills confuses me as well. I do not think Missa is SK anymore, otherwise I would have cured her last night. I think she is scum who was notified that I tried to cure her, and now is moving to lynch a town power role.

I believe that night 1, mafia kill was thwarted somehow (probably field roleblock). Night 2 I believe they targetted you, and as you say you protected yourself.

Nice try, except we all know who field roleblocked night 1. Let's see who's been playing attention.

Secondly, and I feel worse about this one, the tracker actually claimed to me before the this day phase began. So it would be pretty difficult for them to suddenly claim this detail. What I mean is your theory that they hatched this claim after your result isnt true. What's more likely is that my tracker fake claimed entirely, but that has nothing to do with Missa.

[Voth]

Eh, like I said. Either way, you're going to be dead now either on this day or the next unless everyone pulls and votes for someone else. And AGAIN I will say, since I'm fairly certain that you and ixt are mafia, that will only mean good things for the remaining town players.

Exchanging one me for two of you, I can be okay with that if I have to be. But you KNOW you're gonna die either way, now.

Classic. Your smoke and mirrors are called out as false and you just resort to empty statements. I really hope the town does the right thing today, and rejects you and your scum buddies play on me.

And yeah, I'm well aware that this claim will likely earn me a nightkill from either the mafia or the SK, if there is one out there. I don't expect to be lynched though, because you're flipping scum, and I'm certain of it.