Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[Soilderz]

Alright, let me comment some things:

Firstly, no suprise. 80% or more of the people here are americans so now while I was sleeping and studying - 12 hours - there has been like 70 posts or something. It's really hard to join the discussion even tho I was checking the thread every 1-2 hours while I was awake, which seems to be more than the majority of the people here.

Secondly, lol Rodney. Is it openly defending someone because you're noting that they (ixt) are playing the exact same way they did last game, when they came up innocent. But sure, I think Ixt is town I understand why many feel he is an easy day 1 lynch to go for because he plays erratic and emotional. I'm looking at it like this though; would a scum just role claim a weird x-shot role the moment he is getting a little heat? I don't think so, a scum would try to get the attention elsewhere and maybe get the help from his scum friends. Then again it's hard to analyse what ixt does and what it means because it is just so erratic.

Some of the things I'd like to add about people:

Rodney: Leaning a little more to him being town. He really seemed to take it personal when I voted for him which is fine. But if he read the post again he should see that my only reasoning for voting for him is that I called his post aggressive which is just a bs reason to vote for someone and get some reactions

Missa & voth: Getting a strong town read on both of these atm. But I regard voth quite good of a mafia player so that doesn't mean much. Missa is apparently new and quiet which is normal. She does seem genuine in her posts though.

Exalt: Kinda the same as voth. I don't think I've played with him before because I haven't played the last couple of years lol but he seems to be doing a lot of work for the towns best but that might not mean much if he is scum. He can just alter his thoughts needingly to fit his scum-mindset. Leaning town tho.

I'm not happy about undercuts no-vote yet. It seems really scummy and last game when he was pro-town he did lurk a lot less than what he does now.

Zeebu was quite inactive last game as well. Need him to contribute more.


So phase change seems to be in about 10 hours or so. I will be checking in before I'm going away (4-5 hours from now) and putting one final vote if necessary.

[Voth]

I agree that zeebu and Undercut need to speak up. Same with BIET, but at least he did mention his inactivity. Undercut still has not voted.

The sudden jump onto ixt by the last two players gives me pause.

I believe there is info to be gathered from lynching ixt or Rodney, but I would rather not Lynch ixt if he is town
bulletproof. He is playing even more erratic than last round, which confuses me because I would have thought he would have improved. Not sure what to do.

[Exalt]

Current Vote Count:

Rodney - 5 (Exalt, Zeebu, field, ixt, Soilderz)
ixt - 5 (WillBy, Voth, Missa, midoent, Rodney)

field - 1 (BIET)
midoent (the_paul)

INFO:
Rodney and ixt are tied. A tie will result in a no-lynch.
I appreciate all the (unexpected) activity at the weekend.
Phase change is likely to occur when I am home this evening, ~12 hours from now.

Speaking of which, Undercut needs to vote asap or be lynched. He's been playing way too safe and is completely non-committal, even though he's defended Rodney previously. The_Paul is in the same boat (although he's at least stated previously he'd vote for a NL), since he's posted a defense of Rodney and an attack on ixt, so I assume both of these players feel strongly enough to commit somewhere. If they both feel Rodney is town and ixt is scum, you'd think it would be fairly simple for a Townie to vote accordingly. I suppose scum might think twice if they already knew alignments though. If Rodney turns out to be scum and ixt town, and they saved Rodney while lynching ixt, they'd likely gain a ton of shit for it. BIET should also be considered scummy if the phase ends with his throwaway joke vote remaining on field.

A lot of what you said makes sense Exalt. There are other viewpoints as well, but nothing wrong with what you are saying about ixt. Do you mind chiming in on your thoughts on his decision to vote willby and make it a 4-3-3 vote, with he himself already being at 3?

I don't really know what to make of it except him just throwing random votes out there without paying attention, because the only other logical explanation is that he is scum buddies with Rodney. I don't see that as happening at all, especially not on Day 1 with both wagons being on Rodney and ixt. Both wagons being scum basically never happens on Day 1.

[ixt]

Another point. Those voted for rodney: looking at the list they're mostly the people wanting to contribute (don't know if any scum embedded) while those for me (notably missa midoent) haven't given any real reason other than since I didn't fully reveal. Something to think about.

[ixt]

I am bulletproof vanilla townie, way to burst my bubble. I wanted to link up with the cop/investigator to play in place of him since I can't die at night (up to a certain point). I have made myself crystal clear and those who still remain vote on me are worthy of indefinite suspicion. And for Rodney if ur village remove your vote on me and I will do likewise, would seem more pro-town in my view. But if not, keep voting me if ur scum would want scum team to make themselves obvious

[fiS]

Current Vote Count:

Rodney - 5 (Exalt, Zeebu, field, ixt, Soilderz)
ixt - 5 (WillBy, Voth, Missa, midoent, Rodney)

field - 1 (BIET)
midoent (the_paul)

Missing vote from: Undercut

INFO:
Rodney and ixt are tied. A tie will result in a no-lynch.
I appreciate all the (unexpected) activity at the weekend.
Phase change is likely to occur when I am home this evening, ~12 hours from now.

[Exalt]

I forgot Zeebu existed in this game too. He needs to post something worthwhile soon, or he's on my scum list. I've seen him lurk like this as scum multiple games in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he flipped that way. Keep an eye on Zeebu, BIET, and Undercut due to that.

Anyway, my stance is that I'm not voting ixt today, barring some monumental scum slip fuckup, which 'Vanilla Townie with X-Shot' isn't to me, assuming the Bulletproof thing is true. IMO, ixt should literally just admit it if that's the case, since it's not like scum can't read my posts, so I don't see any reason to keep it hidden. IF ixt is town, smart scum weren't going to target him regardless, because he's an easy distraction and a vote magnet. Him playing this way if town is a gift they wouldn't want to get rid of, especially not by wasting an NK, because ixt is likely to get himself voted off sooner or later regardless. If I were scum, I'd keep ixt around as long as possible and NK players I saw as a real threat. Technically, I'm advocating keeping him around as town too, but mostly because I don't see any value in getting rid of a town drunk over possible scum.

Also, Missa and Rodney look better than they did before, so I'm having second thoughts there, but not enough to let ixt be lynched. If he does flip town, I don't see what information anyone would gain from that flip when basically everyone was against him, If that happens and I'm still around Day 2, I'd likely just renew my suspicions of the same people as before. I wonder though, if ixt flips town, what information will the rest of you gain from it? Will that change your suspicions at all?

[midoent]

Midoent: ----"voting to save my own skin" LOL thanks for contributing your thoughts... after that guy throws a random vote for literally "no reason besides he voted for me" making me think hes putting down a vote but too scared to vote on someone who could possibly be lynched and put the suspicion onto himself when they flip town, Scum

??

I voted willby because I was in the votes lead and he was 1 vote behind me.

As for the_paul vote I voted because he only posted 1 post basically voting me and saying Hi and from what I observed people do vote for inactive players.

As of right now I'm voting for vote ixt again. I went over his posts... meh he is the scummiest so far.

[Voth]

A lot of what you said makes sense Exalt. There are other viewpoints as well, but nothing wrong with what you are saying about ixt. Do you mind chiming in on your thoughts on his decision to vote willby and make it a 4-3-3 vote, with he himself already being at 3?

[Exalt]

Didn't mean to click send yet... Anyway, continued..

3. Since everyone is calling him scum and/or voting him, his teammates aren't helping at all, unless you think Soilderz, Voth, and/or I are his scum buddies. It's the same issues I had with the Willby wagon, only tenfold here. Many players just ignored Willby and his wagon existed, but I don't see anyone ignoring ixt or his. This leads me to believe ixt is friendless, aka has no scum team, aka he isn't scum. At the very least, it's not enough for me to vote him off right now.

So if ixt IS scum, imo the only real buddies he'd have is an inactive BIET, Soilderz, and maybe Undercut or something. That's possibly the case, but if so, I'd rather flip Undercut then, since that gives more information imo than BIET will right now, Soilderz doesn't look scummy to me yet, Undercut hasn't voted anyone and is playing way too carefully (scum tell), and ixt's soft-claim is half-believable to me when the entire game piles on him for it. If I saw randoms like Undercut defend ixt like he did Rodney, I'd second guess this, but I haven't.

[Exalt]

Okay, let me get a few things clear first, since he's trying to use me as a lifeline with that latest post. Ixt did message me in game last night, but here was the exchange (summed up, since I can't remember word for word):

Ixt messaged me and said he was coming to me since I look the most town, then asked me what I wanted him to say. I told him to say whatever he wanted, because it isn't me whose voting for him. I told him I saw him as possible town for the moment, but that I'm not giving role information. I then said "if I were you, I'd focus on finding scum, since you aren't currently the vote leader." He then said something like "why do you gotta burst my bubble," which I assume was about his role claim and maybe my guess of what it is.

That was my exchange with him. He didn't really tell me what his role was, but he did imply I had guessed correctly. Now, that being said, I was the person who Willby posted "Someone already mentioned he might be a bomb or PGO" two posts above, but I later said I thought ixt was trying to say he was bulletproof, based on him claiming he wants to be a target. That's also the only way I can think of any 'Vanilla' townie being called that with an x-shot ability. There's no real 'bulletproof' role name from what i can think of except Bodyguard, but that is basically a doctor role. An x-shot self-bulletproof role with no protection ability could be named 'VT with 1-shot bulletproof' possibly.

So all that being said, I half believe ixt right now about that possibly being the case, at least enough to not lynch him right now. There's a few reasons for it actually:

1. Ixt acts scummy AF, but his panicking can be either new town or new scum. It's not really indicative of anything yet imo, because I've seen this kind of thing happen in the past with players from every alignment. The whole 'you'll be sorry when you lynch me' thing is pretty common for new townies actually, so it doesn't phase me much. I didn't really read last game, but I assume Jessup did the same thing, and she was town, right?

2. If ixt is scum, why aren't his teammates telling him to STFU in scum chat? All his teammates would have to do is tell him that he's been constantly drawing negative attention to himself and that he should lay low while Rodney gets pushed. I guess if his teammates were lurkers like BIET, that might not happen, but I'd assume they'd at least try if they were even slightly active.

3. It feels like everyone in the game has piled on ixt after his scummy posts, with no real detractors except Soilderz, a little from Voth repeating what Soilderz said about last game (while still voting for ixt), and now me with my own reasoning. I don't currently suspect Soilderz and Voth to be scum, so it gives me pause to see ixt as scum here. If he is, then he's likely being bussed or at least called scummy by almost everyone in the game,

[ixt]

well yeah he seemed most likely town but if he turns out mafia,,,oops then

[Voth]

only exalt knows somewhat what i am, but if i made the same amateur mistake again, sorry

Are you saying you have given further admissions to Exalt, who, like the rest of us, is not a confirmed townie at this point?

it is like watching a plane crash in slow motion, seriously

[ixt]

only exalt knows somewhat what i am, but if i made the same amateur mistake again, sorry

[ixt]

Couple of unorganized thoughts as I've read posts:
Rodney had a wagon off a single throwaway post. Could go either way, not nearly enough to read into there. I'm betting a mafioso or two on that wagon regardless of his allegiance. Much more info in his second post, even if I dont necessarily agree with some of his reads (too early to tell). On Midoent, I dont fault him for saving himself. I find it hard to even call that a newbie move- I understand voting for self preservation.
Other 2 things i see that worry me, (but probably shouldn't?)
People keep saying I'm town because an early train formed on me. This proves nothing. I am town, but several of the people are likely town too. Were firing (mostly) blind here; we can only see what the mafia wants us to see. Stay woke.
People assuming Exalt and Voth are town because they're pushing for information. Hate to break it to you, but Exalt plays every game like this, town or scum. It's fine not voting for these guys, as I do think they're helping town atm. But dont let day 2 conceptions cloud your judgement for the rest of the game. That's how town lost their bus driver day 2 last game, and let mafia make a run in the late game.

Finally, I'd like to reiterate the (imo) scummiest play of the game so far ft. Ixt.
He claimed Vanilla Townie with a 1 shot special ability. As a couple others have mentioned, this isnt a real thing. Maybe there was some awkward wording from a role pm or a misunderstanding of the pm, as I could see the role being something like "you have x ability but otherwise are a VT", but that is very, very unlikely. Someone already mentioned he might be a bomb or PGO. I'll just say that this is unlikely as those are both kind of crappy roles to include in a non-role-madness game, which this game isnt (based on no theme and being kind of last minute). Furthermore, if he was PGO (which I feel like is slightly more excusable in normal games), the guy invited cops to investigate him.
there's something really wrong about ixts entire claim, and seeing as he wont clarify, best possible explanation is that he is not town aligned this game.

maybe im not fully understanding the definition of an x-shot as i assumed it was a "limitation" version of a full type of ability of the same sort. and who said i had a SHOT ability eh? but whatever, if u need a lead to get info i dont mind, just dont come running back to me when u lose the ability that i have.