Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[ixt]

Just woke up not too long ago since Asia time, would like to offer some thoughts (if its worth anything)

undercut-probably the scummiest play from last day development: u first state ur fine with either myself or rodney, but then slap a vote on me with the only given reason in response to voth "getting off a bandwagon, then ill join it" I may have not said it accurately 100 percent but that's ur intention in a nutshell. Relation to rodney as Rodney would be the leading voter?

Missa and zeebu-as both did not post much to go off of, hard to pinpoint their intentions. But as their votes r one not against and one against, zeebu seems pro town for the moment here.

Rodney-him being able to give an analysis of the info at hand (although not to the level of exalt) appears to me more pro-town, however as people previously stated many people went for me rather than himself leaves questions to be answered.

Midoent-in our brief exchange, I decided to set u aside since compared to ur behavior as a mafia goon, u appear more willing to talk and the logic of "host may want to jumble up the roles game to game" seemed ok to me. But as u reverted back to vote me, I can have second guesses to my first perspective.

The_paul- as mentioned by field, I also was aware of that brief statement that he said "not worth the risk if he turns pro town" if ur town oriented, why would u care if I'm wrongly lynched, defending urself is the idea isn't it? But his good side is not voting for me, creating not a tie and just simply losing a VT. but this move could be read in opposite logic...he's scared to vote for me to draw attention to himself. That's also up for debate.

[the_paul]

Are you asking me what the risk is when it comes to lynching someone who has claimed a pro town power role? Or powerish role... whatever you would call what he claimed. If you?re trying to paint me with a bad brush because I mentioned the danger of lynching someone who claimed pro town day 1, go for it.

There are 13 players in this game, this will not be a long drawn out affair with the chance to make up for our mistakes. There are probably not many power roles in a game of 13. If we want to win, we need to be cautious and calculating. If you don?t think that?s a town mindset, then I guess I really don?t know what to tell you.

We we did not lynch day 1, which is what I wanted but I understand many of you did not. It?s time for our power roles to go to work and point us in the right direction.

[field]

double posted with fish rip

[field]

Current Vote Count:

Rodney - 5 (Exalt, Zeebu, field, ixt, Soilderz)
ixt - 5 (WillBy, Missa, midoent, Rodney, Undercut)
field - 1 (BIET)
midoent - 1 (the_paul)
Undercut - 1 (Voth)

Above is the updated vote count, since we have less than two hours until phase change and I want to make sure we are all on the same page.

ixt has roleclaimed bulletproof vanilla townie, and I do not think he should be lynched today. I believe his claim for now.
WillBy spoke about how scummy ixt has played (so did almost everyone), and I agree. Now I just think he was being a newb. Between scummy play of possible BP VT or potential scum? I think going with rodney will give us more information, and is safer than lynching a bulletproof. His defense of himself was weak. My vote is going to stay for now.

I hope ixt learned that role claiming on day 1 with no heat, while attempting to bait out cop, is not only a newbie move, but also very scummy. It is scummy because it helps the mafia, not town.

Analyzing the most recent vote changes, Voth is the only one who hopped off the ixt train, leaving rodney with the lead.
Undercut tied the votes again.

Undercut, is there any reason why you are pushing for a no lynch, right after you said the following: "All that being said, I am with exalt on a day one lynch will probably provide us with some kind of info rather than waiting a day and getting nothing out of a scum kill"?
This obvious contradiction in words and action makes me want to lynch rodney so that we can learn more info about undercut and others.

And that brings us to voth. Earlier in the game, voth said: "he (ixt) is playing a little different kind of moronic compared to last game. He later contradicts himself by saying "ixt did play just as retarded last round and did turn up pro-town." Why the contradiction Voth? Is ixt playing the same as he did last game, or is he playing differently?

Lastly, the following post by the_paul stood out for me, in particular the underlined part:

Yes Exalt, the panic role claim exactly like ixt did lol. I?m not really sure what prompted him to do that though. Although his vague hints at what his role is make absolutely no sense to me. I?m pretty sure he?s actually probably scum, either that or he?s just a really bad townie. I?m tempted to make a push for him, but it?s probably not worth the risk if he really does have a pro town role. He?s giving me a headache though

I see a lot of people disagree with my no lynch, which makes sense especially given Exalt?s reasoning. I?m still staying pat with my inconsequential vote though, because the only one who?s done anything stupid recently is ixt.

What are you worried about tp? What risk?
The above is too careful, too afraid, and too calculating, and that's not a town mindset.

[fiS]

Final Vote Count Day 1:

Rodney - 5 (Exalt, Zeebu, field, ixt, Soilderz)
ixt - 5 (WillBy, Missa, Undercut, midoent, Rodney)

Undercut - 1 (Voth)
midoent - 1 (the_paul)
field - 1 (BIET)

Rodney and ixt are tied for lynch, which results in day 1 to end with a no-lynch.

This phase had to end at one point, and I announced it would be this evening. As I don't see a discussion going on right now, I don't think that it'd be worth to further extend this phase.

Begin Night 1

You may talk as you please. Moving on in ~24 hours, or as soon as everyone who has an action has submitted it to me.

[the_paul]

The_Paul is in the same boat (although he's at least stated previously he'd vote for a NL), since he's posted a defense of Rodney and an attack on ixt, so I assume both of these players feel strongly enough to commit somewhere. If they both feel Rodney is town and ixt is scum, you'd think it would be fairly simple for a Townie to vote accordingly. I suppose scum might think twice if they already knew alignments though. If Rodney turns out to be scum and ixt town, and they saved Rodney while lynching ixt, they'd likely gain a ton of shit for it. BIET should also be considered scummy if the phase ends with his throwaway joke vote remaining on field.

Wait a minute, where exactly did I defend Rodney? The guy hadn't even posted anything of substance, and votes just flew on him without any real reasoning. I said it's more than likely that scum could pile on without drawing any attention to themselves, that has nothing to do with Rodney. He's made 1 post that has done nothing to convince me of his position either way. But neither has BIET, but I don't see any votes going in that direction, which is suspicious to say the least. It doesn't appear that the reasoning for the Rodney bandwagon are consistent with BIET, which I find interesting. Rodney may be scum, BIET may be scum, both may be town, but the logic behind the votes for Rodney have holes to me.

Okay, let me get a few things clear first, since he's trying to use me as a lifeline with that latest post. Ixt did message me in game last night, but here was the exchange (summed up, since I can't remember word for word):

2. If ixt is scum, why aren't his teammates telling him to STFU in scum chat? All his teammates would have to do is tell him that he's been constantly drawing negative attention to himself and that he should lay low while Rodney gets pushed. I guess if his teammates were lurkers like BIET, that might not happen, but I'd assume they'd at least try if they were even slightly active.

3. It feels like everyone in the game has piled on ixt after his scummy posts, with no real detractors except Soilderz, a little from Voth repeating what Soilderz said about last game (while still voting for ixt), and now me with my own reasoning. I don't currently suspect Soilderz and Voth to be scum, so it gives me pause to see ixt as scum here. If he is, then he's likely being bussed or at least called scummy by almost everyone in the game

Just to play Devil's advocate here, who is to say that your scenario laid out in #2 is not currently happening? Ixt "roleclaims" day 1 for no reason and calling attention to himself like crazy, even to the point of asking town cops to investigate/bus him. Then he reaches out to you via private message in a chat, and has since been laying low and diverting attention to Rodney, even going so far as to issue what looks like an agreement with Rodney (which is weird)? BIET has been entirely inactive, nobody votes for him. Undercut has been basically inactive and not added anything of value, nobody votes for him. Rodney has been piled on because he was inactive and made a throwaway vote? Ixt has been throwing roleclaims and investigation demands and theories all over the place, has a conference with someone else in game and roleclaims to them, despite having no idea their allegiance, but is free and clear? Ok.

Rodney may be scum, one of Undercut/BIET is probably scum as well. But again looking at the numbers, it seems more likely to me that the Rodney train got rolling and has kept up its steam to keep the heat off of the other players who should be receiving the votes based off the "logic" behind the votes. I hope town power roles are taking note of who is voting which way on this. With 13 players, the Mafia probably has around 3 members with a neutral party out there wrecking havoc as well. Just something to think about if Biet and Undercut keep flying under the radar.

[RoDNeY]

So you think my sticking with ixt and encouraging others to do so is defending rodney? Look, just as many people have thrown their votes on rodney, yet no role claim.
Im not pressuring a role claim from rodney because he hasn't attracted my suspicion (yet). Plenty of others have tried, and neglecting a lucky investigation tonight I'm sure he'll still be on the table next day phase.
But for now, I'll stick with the bird in hand, and leave the one in the Bush

people should know that pushing for a role claim is a scummy move, especially on Day 1. It gives free information to mafia to act on in the night phase

[WillBy]

My question is this: Why did Undercut, the_paul, and WillBy have no problems going after ixt, but Rodney didn't seem to get any suspicion from them. Why? The same goes for people like midoent who haven't even mentioned Rodney as being neither here nor there. I'm suspicious of the motives here, because they say Rodney is low-hanging fruit while seemingly ignoring that ixt is as...

I've laid out the reasons to vote ixt plenty of times already. But here's a brief refresher off the top of my head:
1. Voting patterns, hopping on early wagons and then voting randomly.
2. Fake-ass role claim. He refused to give any constructive info about his role until he PMed you, Exalt, in game?
3. You keep suggesting that he wouldn't be playing so poorly or have so many votes if he had scum buddies. This is just wrong, in short because scum would throw a vote or two on him in case he got lynched and more importantly, he is getting coached. Does no one else see it? He made one shitty claim, didn't clarify for hours, then suddenly came up with a role that fit his claim? I don't buy it.

So you think my sticking with ixt and encouraging others to do so is defending rodney? Look, just as many people have thrown their votes on rodney, yet no role claim.
Im not pressuring a role claim from rodney because he hasn't attracted my suspicion (yet). Plenty of others have tried, and neglecting a lucky investigation tonight I'm sure he'll still be on the table next day phase.
But for now, I'll stick with the bird in hand, and leave the one in the Bush

[RoDNeY]

Current Vote Count:

Rodney - 5 (Exalt, Zeebu, field, ixt, Soilderz)
ixt - 5 (WillBy, Undercut, Missa, midoent, Rodney)

Undercut - 1 (Voth)
field - 1 (BIET)
midoent (the_paul)



INFO:
Rodney and ixt are tied. A tie will result in a no-lynch.
I appreciate all the (unexpected) activity at the weekend.
Phase change is likely to occur when I am home this evening, ~12 hours from now.

I updated the above quote with the vote changes that have happened in the last few hours but the tie still remains

Im still fairly confused as to why only a few people have noticed the obsurd wagon on me, out of the players voting on me i see Exalt as the only town friendly although i do start to think he is getting pretty aggressive as of late but i think thats just him getting really into the game and getting carried away with it

Zeebu left a joke vote on me and then disappeared and hasnt been heard of since in the thread

field was a full bandwagon rider and jumped on after i had 3 votes to push a lynch on me and then disappeared from the thread

ixt has made the scummiest plays this entire game and everyones like nah hes just dumb

soilderz added no content to why his vote was on me except that my entry post to the thread was "aggressive" lol wat? he did come out after i made my thoughts so far and seem to normalize a little but pretty much said he will just leave his vote on me because he doesnt have anyone else he would rather vote on, also suggested that maybe i would role claim, lmao no i roleclaim and im dead or blocked tonight. I'd rather take my chances in the lynch to get some night action results tonight instead

Undercut and Willby have come out to notice how strange the wagon on me formed and the paul also commented about how unorthodox the votes on me seemed. Voth comes out to say hes not getting the scummy vibe from me either yet im still in a lynch tie? Interesting...

If im lynched i want all of you to come back to my posts for a little clarity so you can see the order and reasoning that people put towards voting for me and let that lead you in the right direction towards scum

logically speaking ixt is the only one who has made any moves towards being scum on day 1, the rest of this is a shot in the dark and i would rather take my chances on lynching someone based on actions than a shot in the dark and frankly now to an extent my vote is staying on him to save myself here

[Soilderz]

I'll leave the vote on rodney. No suprise, not much has happened since I woke up and now I need to go. WOnt be back for like 18 hours.

[ixt]

And a thought just dawned on me: if we somehow have a busser this game; should just bus me with whoever is suspected to be killed...seems like a pretty broken combo since I can't die at night (unless strongman maybe?) don't really know the limitations set by the mod

[ixt]

awww compared to previous posts ill take it as u care for me <3 how sweet

[Voth]

so ur saying u felt good about me once? funny i cant find that anywhere, but k xdxd

No, I only meant I do not feel good about lynching you at the moment.

[Voth]

Pretty funny that you drop a vote on the same person I unvoted in order to vote you, Undercut.

[Voth]

I have absolutely no problem going after ixt or rodney as I think we stand to learn quite a bit from either of them being lynched. I placed my vote on ixt because voth seemed incredibly quick to jump off him the second he read my post.

Absolutely. You come out of the woodwork after a VERY FEW vague posts and just literally paraphrase what other vocal players are saying. It is almost funny.

To be fair, I had been saying I had doubts about ixt for hours, but it was your post that changed my mind.

You are trying to play it cool, but you are bad at it. I have a good feeling that you are scum.