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[Exalt]

I do want to hear about Exalt vs rodney. If you guys dont want to publicly roleclaim, feel free to shoot me a PM. I don't like to play this way but I'm worried that the town may need some level of secret coordination, seeing as we've lost 2 crucial roles already. Very interested in hearing any results, as I think I will have enough information to continue putting the puzzle together.

I fully respect any decisions not to pm me. As a couple others have pointed out, this could be the ultimate scum play. While assure you I am town, you have a right to be suspicious. I am more inclined to believe someone who talks to me than someone who keeps secrets though.

I am asking you once again, give your Night 2 action and result. There's 0 reason why you wouldn't do this as a townie, especially when I've asked so many times.

[Exalt]

Well, it seems like from your other posts that you know something about Rodney that you don't want to reveal openly, which I can understand. I can't just jump on the "VOTE RODNEY!" train when I've yet to see a reason to do so, simply because you say. I feel like we have bigger fish to fry, but this is with me not knowing what you know. If you wanted to share, then perhaps I'd be more easily swayed. Which kind of sucks because I feel super inclined to follow your lead considering I feel that you, by far, have the most logical thought processes and the most insightful and helpful posts, but... The do it because I said so or else you look like scum tactic isn't gonna work here. I'm going to agree with WillBy on this one.

I'd change my vote if I was given a solid reason to. Otherwise, I'm going to make a vote I feel good about or a vote that I feel would help the town. Since I don't think Rodney is mafia at this time, I don't think voting him would be helpful.

And yeah, ixt, I am stuck on you because I've still yet to see an explanation for your behavior that makes a lick of sense. You simply ignore it hoping nobody else will notice? The more you dodge providing us with a simple explanation of why you acted so desperately with literally 0 votes, 1 vote, and then 2 votes only after you acted weird, the worse you look.

And to Voth, I do appreciate shoves in the right direction, though your prior post seemed condescending. Not sure if that was intentional or not. I feel good about voting for you and voting for ixt at this time, however why would I waste a vote on ixt if nobody else sees him as a problem yet? I feel like everyone is on Rodney's nuts and I don't get why. I'm trying to not vote for people just because other people tell me to and think for myself a bit. You can think I'm a complete idiot for thinking you're mafia at this point, but I could say the same about you thinking that of me :P I haven't done much of anything other than try to grill ixt on why he did what he did if he isn't mafia, which seems to bother you both a bit. I'd vote either of you off right now.

Of course, if ixt turns out to just be a loose lipped town, well. I'll be surprised.

Of course you don't think voting Rodney is helpful, because I believe you are his scum buddy. I'll expand on it later, but he needs to flip first. As far as reasons to change your vote, its up to you to read the game and understand what's being said. Like I said, if it takes hard claims to actually get scum lynched, then town will lose, but I don't necessary believe you are town. I don't know what else can possibly be said to get you to vote Rodney, and I suspect you never will unless literally given hard claim evidence and basically autolynched if you still refused. Even then, I think you'd defend him, because again, I suspect you aren't town. You certainly have no reason to be considered such, but that's for another day (or night) to decide. I don't really care where you vote, because I didn't expect you to go on Rodney to begin with.

Oh yeah, and you still am stuck on ixt even though every Night Kill was against a person who voted for Rodney, and it's looking more and more like no scum were on his wagon whatsoever. Can YOU explain why that is? Do you agree that scum literally set Rodney up from the start to get him lynched over the past 3 day phases? Also, what can you say that Rodney has done to catch scum? When has he participated in helping town whatsoever? Can you explain any of that, because it should explain why you think he's town even against all the odds. Please, explain your thought process about Rodney. I don't care about ixt, because he's not getting lynched today. Explain why Rodney is town in your mind, not why you think ixt is suspicious. Whether he is scum or not, Rodney is someone I'm claiming is near certain, and you still refuse to even look at him. It's fairly obvious why imo, but I'll let you explain your own thoughts.

[ixt]

Well, it seems like from your other posts that you know something about Rodney that you don't want to reveal openly, which I can understand. I can't just jump on the "VOTE RODNEY!" train when I've yet to see a reason to do so, simply because you say. I feel like we have bigger fish to fry, but this is with me not knowing what you know. If you wanted to share, then perhaps I'd be more easily swayed. Which kind of sucks because I feel super inclined to follow your lead considering I feel that you, by far, have the most logical thought processes and the most insightful and helpful posts, but... The do it because I said so or else you look like scum tactic isn't gonna work here. I'm going to agree with WillBy on this one.

I'd change my vote if I was given a solid reason to. Otherwise, I'm going to make a vote I feel good about or a vote that I feel would help the town. Since I don't think Rodney is mafia at this time, I don't think voting him would be helpful.

And yeah, ixt, I am stuck on you because I've still yet to see an explanation for your behavior that makes a lick of sense. You simply ignore it hoping nobody else will notice? The more you dodge providing us with a simple explanation of why you acted so desperately with literally 0 votes, 1 vote, and then 2 votes only after you acted weird, the worse you look.

And to Voth, I do appreciate shoves in the right direction, though your prior post seemed condescending. Not sure if that was intentional or not. I feel good about voting for you and voting for ixt at this time, however why would I waste a vote on ixt if nobody else sees him as a problem yet? I feel like everyone is on Rodney's nuts and I don't get why. I'm trying to not vote for people just because other people tell me to and think for myself a bit. You can think I'm a complete idiot for thinking you're mafia at this point, but I could say the same about you thinking that of me :P I haven't done much of anything other than try to grill ixt on why he did what he did if he isn't mafia, which seems to bother you both a bit. I'd vote either of you off right now.

Of course, if ixt turns out to just be a loose lipped town, well. I'll be surprised.

i respect that, if you have a strong opinion of your own, nobody forces you to change your perspective on the matter. and you must be mistaken. Exalt has a strong suspicion on rodney, while willby and i accept the logic but are waiting for some more individuals to weigh in. perhaps its my amateur state of mind, but rodney reacting exactly how i thought he would did give me pause. and sista, start being surprised then.

[WillBy]

Oh yeah, and vote Voth for reasons. :wink:

[Missa]

Also, isn't it odd that Missa and others won't vote you still Rodney? Why is that? Why do only the most suspicious, inactive, or flat out scum (Paul) defend you over and over again, and every townie who calls you out and is suspicious of you gets NK'd?

Well, it seems like from your other posts that you know something about Rodney that you don't want to reveal openly, which I can understand. I can't just jump on the "VOTE RODNEY!" train when I've yet to see a reason to do so, simply because you say. I feel like we have bigger fish to fry, but this is with me not knowing what you know. If you wanted to share, then perhaps I'd be more easily swayed. Which kind of sucks because I feel super inclined to follow your lead considering I feel that you, by far, have the most logical thought processes and the most insightful and helpful posts, but... The do it because I said so or else you look like scum tactic isn't gonna work here. I'm going to agree with WillBy on this one.

I'd change my vote if I was given a solid reason to. Otherwise, I'm going to make a vote I feel good about or a vote that I feel would help the town. Since I don't think Rodney is mafia at this time, I don't think voting him would be helpful.

And yeah, ixt, I am stuck on you because I've still yet to see an explanation for your behavior that makes a lick of sense. You simply ignore it hoping nobody else will notice? The more you dodge providing us with a simple explanation of why you acted so desperately with literally 0 votes, 1 vote, and then 2 votes only after you acted weird, the worse you look.

And to Voth, I do appreciate shoves in the right direction, though your prior post seemed condescending. Not sure if that was intentional or not. I feel good about voting for you and voting for ixt at this time, however why would I waste a vote on ixt if nobody else sees him as a problem yet? I feel like everyone is on Rodney's nuts and I don't get why. I'm trying to not vote for people just because other people tell me to and think for myself a bit. You can think I'm a complete idiot for thinking you're mafia at this point, but I could say the same about you thinking that of me :P I haven't done much of anything other than try to grill ixt on why he did what he did if he isn't mafia, which seems to bother you both a bit. I'd vote either of you off right now.

Of course, if ixt turns out to just be a loose lipped town, well. I'll be surprised.

[ixt]

thats why i accept the reasoning of exalt but the vibes rodney is giving me is having me doubt the justification of accusing him just on this basis.

[WillBy]

please clarify the organization of this phrase.

Exalt keeps throwing out this day 1 vote list saying everyone voting for you is scum and everyone voting rodney is town, but I dont think its that simple. Other players voting patterns have me inclined to believe that someone like rodney is in fact innocent. But again, it's nothing conclusive, unlike yesterphase.

[WillBy]

I do want to hear about Exalt vs rodney. If you guys dont want to publicly roleclaim, feel free to shoot me a PM. I don't like to play this way but I'm worried that the town may need some level of secret coordination, seeing as we've lost 2 crucial roles already. Very interested in hearing any results, as I think I will have enough information to continue putting the puzzle together.

I fully respect any decisions not to pm me. As a couple others have pointed out, this could be the ultimate scum play. While assure you I am town, you have a right to be suspicious. I am more inclined to believe someone who talks to me than someone who keeps secrets though.

[ixt]

Aight so you all post like crazy from 4-6 am my time, so I apologize for not being able to be a part of this discussion. I would definitely like to hear more about Exalts reasoning, for thinking rodney is scum. While I dont have anything definitive, my perception of who is town and who is mafia points towards Rodney being town.

As for what I did last night, I was chicken and protected myself. Which I dont know how mafia could have predicted, but maybe they were just playing it safe.

please clarify the organization of this phrase.

[WillBy]

Aight so you all post like crazy from 4-6 am my time, so I apologize for not being able to be a part of this discussion. I would definitely like to hear more about Exalts reasoning, for thinking rodney is scum. While I dont have anything definitive, my perception of who is town and who is mafia points towards Rodney being town.

As for what I did last night, I was chicken and protected myself. Which I dont know how mafia could have predicted, but maybe they were just playing it safe.

[ixt]

what in the actual fk uve been suspected by one of the most town-like players and THIS is how the response is? well, i hope u got something good.

[RoDNeY]

I have other reasons not stated in this thread as to why I strongly believe Rodney is scum. He is free to claim if he wants to prove himself.

its in towns best interest for me to hold off on claiming for as long as possible, pushing me to claim will be the death of town

[RoDNeY]

and rodney just to bring up the point. u claim to have been coordinated attacked, but after a few posts, all you have said is to argue uve been set up yet havent sent a prospective vote on someone who u think is scum. after what u claimed to have been set up, i dont think it would be that hard to select someone from the list from day 1 developments. either u forgot, or hoped that nobody would bring this up. but too late, ive noticed. if you claim to be a townie, who do u primarily suspect? as the targets u can suspect are a limited list compared to what some other players may choose.

you are utterly terrible at mafia ixt, i have laid out all of my suspicions on everyone who i detect to be scum and have my vote on undercut who is clearly scum. You are incapable of free thought and just follow what other people say. You remind me of jessup playing mafia man

I had to re-read this a few times, but every time the same result. I sense utter desperation, reaching, and scumminess. I am feeling more confident in my vote after this post. Barring any new more compelling information, I believe my vote will stay. My gut is telling me Rodney is scum.

not desperation just sick of constantly debunking the theory that i am scum ever since Page 1 of this thread while we are letting the real scum lurk their way to victory

Voth bringing up this point, the orchestrated attack is much less likely. they must have discovered soilderz to be the doctor day 1 and decided to take him out instantly (im not sure of the doctor can protect themselves or only other people) if rodney was the town cop he wouldnt have held his nerve with the chance of being voted out day 1, impossible. So my response is not necessarily rodney being mafia (the "coordination" he claims is possible, but probably less than 50%) just that its impossible for him to be the cop.

You do realize that soilderz died on Night 1? meaning nobody could have possibly had any investigative results on him? Ive also never claimed to be the cop, because im not

[Exalt]

WillBy Exalt do you think we should have rodney a second opportunity? because the tone im getting from him is similar to last game's last 4 when i almost flipped (but actually didnt) to force vote on fis. but if youre firm in your stance on rodney exalt ill go with it. i for one am open to give him another day of proving his loyalty and voting out a lurker or missa who realistically hasnt provided much of worth. it is entirely possible that mafia wanted to dirty his name. UNLESS the play is this because rodney is a big mafia role and the "minions" have defended his name, even till now. but the second possibility im still thinking of the chances.

I have other reasons not stated in this thread as to why I strongly believe Rodney is scum. He is free to claim if he wants to prove himself.

[ixt]

and rodney just to bring up the point. u claim to have been coordinated attacked, but after a few posts, all you have said is to argue uve been set up yet havent sent a prospective vote on someone who u think is scum. after what u claimed to have been set up, i dont think it would be that hard to select someone from the list from day 1 developments. either u forgot, or hoped that nobody would bring this up. but too late, ive noticed. if you claim to be a townie, who do u primarily suspect? as the targets u can suspect are a limited list compared to what some other players may choose.