Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[Zeebu]

What exactly is wishywashy? I have admitted that my unvote of ixt and vote on Undercut, and the subsequent no-lynch can indeed be seen as scummy, and I accept responsibility for that. What else is wishywashy? Not sure what you're talking about exactly. I am simply trying to point out that on Day 2, we need to examine things from all angles, as no one has a clue what we are dealing with except the informed minority...scum.

you ask what is wishywashy then admit to... well. heres a random definition from a google search:
wishy-washy

adjective English Language Learners Definition of wishy-washy


disapproving : not having or showing strong ideas or beliefs about something : weak and not able or not willing to act



i think wishy washy is sort of appropriate. im not saying 100% scum indicative right now , just pointing it out

[Voth]

im getting it from rodney certainly and maybe a hint of it from voth.

voth is playing kind of... wishywashy... could be some sort of 3rd party role? voth are you recruiting a cult or something? the first day no lynch certainly plays into the favor of a cult. of course that is just wild speculation.

What exactly is wishywashy? I have admitted that my unvote of ixt and vote on Undercut, and the subsequent no-lynch can indeed be seen as scummy, and I accept responsibility for that. What else is wishywashy? Not sure what you're talking about exactly. I am simply trying to point out that on Day 2, we need to examine things from all angles, as no one has a clue what we are dealing with except the informed minority...scum.

[Voth]

With town doctor, a roleclaimed inventor, a role claimed bulletproof townie, it's possible that this game has more than one scum faction.

So far, Voth has given me scum vibe. Not too concerned with his faction yet. (Read my previous long post).

I was suspicious of rodney on d1 and my suspicions carry over to d2.

I like how you distanced yourself from Rodney there, immediately after dogpiling me with him. Kind of scummy.

[Voth]

You guys are either making it super easy for me to determine your alignment (and your mafia buddies), or you are really reading into things too much.

Anytime someone roleclaims a town power role on day 2 (or day 1, hi ixt), you need to think of all the possibilities. The fact that I voiced what I was thinking in my head about this roleclaim and the possible implications makes me scum? You guys are focusing, out of everything that has come out, on the fact that I mentioned the other side of this if Willby's claim doesn't work out? Really? That's funny, because no one in this game knows anything right now, except the mafia who know who their scum buddies are. I was the second person to vote for the_paul, right after Willby, yet I'm being questioned for my hesitation for pointing out the obvious other side of things? Funny.

Rodney and field, you both just linked yourselves together as possible scum in my mind. But I will indulge you, because there is no reason not to:

Rodney, I would have likely voted for you if I had the chance to change my vote on Day 1. I do not think ixt is mafia, and I didn't have any real thought on you at that point, but your newest posts have certainly put you on my radar.

[field]

im getting it from rodney certainly and maybe a hint of it from voth.

voth is playing kind of... wishywashy... could be some sort of 3rd party role? voth are you recruiting a cult or something? the first day no lynch certainly plays into the favor of a cult. of course that is just wild speculation.

With town doctor, a roleclaimed inventor, a role claimed bulletproof townie, it's possible that this game has more than one scum faction.

So far, Voth has given me scum vibe. Not too concerned with his faction yet. (Read my previous long post).

I was suspicious of rodney on d1 and my suspicions carry over to d2.

[field]

Most of what we are doing is nitpicking on minor actions or being annoyed that some players aren't as active.

Well, what do you think we should be doing?

Nitpicking what people say or do is how the game is played. And calling out lurkers (which has become a synonym for inactivity on tw mafia) is always in the best interest of not only town, but the game as a whole.

[Zeebu]

Who are you talking about?
What made you think so?

im getting it from rodney certainly and maybe a hint of it from voth.

voth is playing kind of... wishywashy... could be some sort of 3rd party role? voth are you recruiting a cult or something? the first day no lynch certainly plays into the favor of a cult. of course that is just wild speculation.

[field]

I have no reads on BIET and Missa. BIET made long post which summarized events that happened. I want to see more. Even less for me to go on for Missa.

Zeebu has been giving off town vibe.

Undercut made a good post that I thought came from town mindset:

I voted for ixt because I was confused as to why Voth seemed to want to jump ship at the last second to avoid lynching him. It was fairly obvious I was going to vote that way because like i did in fact say in my posts, the bandwagon on rodney seemed to form out of nowhere and I didn't understand it. I wanted to see if Voth would stick to his guns and avoid lynching ixt while hoping that a train formed on me for holding off on voting until the end of the phase. I wasn't trying to avoid a lynch I just thought that ixt was a way better option than rodney was.

Vote: Voth

I still just don't understand what he was trying to accomplish by swapping off ixt and on to me at the last second. It seems incredibly fishy to me, and he was obviously trying to avoid being tied to something that was about to happen.

[BIET]

Well, this is some progress. A role claim and a guilty claim on paul by willby. I had my eyes on undercut this day, but with these recent findings I think paul could be a better pick. If paul turns out to be scum we can pretty much confirm exalt being town. If not, well exalt said it himself, we lynch exalt in the next few days.

That being said, I'm still a bit confused. Most of what we are doing is nitpicking on minor actions or being annoyed that some players aren't as active. It's just a group of 3-4 who are online at that moment and fill a couple of pages with nonsense. I don't know what to make of it. I certainly am not tempted to join the mass of spam messages at least, and I'm happy to be called a lurker if that's what you guys want.

So since it's pretty much the only pick that makes sense AND will give us more information I VOTE: the_paul

[field]

definite distancing and bussing goin on right now

Who are you talking about?
What made you think so?

[field]

this is the first actual night result that points toward scum and half of you debated on it. Voth mainly seemed super hesitant to act on it and had to be persuaded. Did he notice there was no point in fighting the results and that he had to jump on before it looked like he was protecting his scum buddy?

This is something to come back to. I, too, noticed Voth was hesitant to jump on tp train.
It is not a scum tell per se, and in general it's good to not be very trusting.

Still, I am not sure what voth's end-goal in him questioning WillBy's roleclaim was. The moment WillBy roleclaimed, he either confirmed himself as town or as scum, provided town acts on the information he gave us. But by not acting on that information (which is what questioning WillBy's roleclaim inevitably leads to), we waste another day phase shooting in the dark instead of lynching potential scum with guilty result and confirm a townie in the process.

[Zeebu]

definite distancing and bussing goin on right now

[field]

and fuck...im getting a little po'd by field and missa. previous excuses for lurkers were "oh it was the weekend so was busy". if either of u fail to post before the phase ends, probably will go in lynch order field-missa or missa-field idc.

I'm not lurking and I never used the "weekend was busy" excuse. I am just not at my laptop often these days (once a day), and posting from phone is ridiculous. It took me like 30 minutes to format my post on the phone. I don't have that kind of time to waste... important licensing exam coming up.

So, during my short breaks from studying, I read thread on my phone and write thoughts in my notes app. When I'm at my desk, I compile everything and post them. Until I pass this exam, this is just how I'm going to play and if you want to attempt to lynch me for it, go ahead. If nothing else, we can learn something from how people vote.

[field]

vote: the_paul

In my opinion, there has been a lot of scum tells since day 1 and especially during night phase discussion and subsequent day discussion. Enough to at least pressure the_paul, but it seems WillBy has come out, roleclaimed, and confirmed tp as scum.

The biggest scum tell in my opinion is tp's insistence that Exalt and others on rodney train WANTED a no lynch since they didn't switch to ixt. He misses the obvious reason why none of us switched... ixt claimed bulletproof townie and you want town to risk lynching a powerful role that cannot be killed at night on day 1, instead of lynching someone giving off scum vibes?! This is just a huge distraction and something scum would do.

Second huge scum tell amidst the walls of text that tp put up: inherent guiltiness. tp seemed to pre-emptively defend himself and ask a lot of questions.

Also, lots of strawman (purposefully misrepresenting Exalt's positions).

I am confident in this vote. Furthermore,

Are you asking me what the risk is when it comes to lynching someone who has claimed a pro town power role? Or powerish role... whatever you would call what he claimed. If you?re trying to paint me with a bad brush because I mentioned the danger of lynching someone who claimed pro town day 1, go for it.

No, I was asking why were you afraid of going after ixt?
Seems you had reservations about lynching claimed power role in the above post, yet at start of day 2 you seemingly disregarded your earlier reservations and voted for ixt.

In my opinion, town players do not care if they appear scummy in the thread. ixt played so scummy on day 1, yet I think he is town. Enough to disregard him this day and focus on someone else.
But scum players try to avoid heat, and your initial post (which I quoted previously) was an example of that.

I'll start with myself. Like I explained before, I expected that day phase to go at least an hour longer than it did, and I did login to check votes and see if anyone had went for Undercut with me, but phase had changed already. Like I said, if I managed to login before the phase change, I would have made an on the fly decision to cast a deciding vote on ixt or rodney. I was not trying to "stay out of" anything, I actually believe that Undercut is scummy as hell and I was much less sure about both ixt and Rodney. As I said before, I'm totally fine with people calling me out for this as from an outside perspective, it looks horrible, and I would do the same thing if I saw anyone else pull the same move. It's fair, and I understand it, but I'm just providing my explanation for what happened on my end.

You say here if you managed to login you would've voted for ixt or rodney.

Who would you have voted for, if you did manage to login?

ixt at the moment is off my radar only because I'm sure that a town power role did something to help corroborate his roleclaim last night...I hope so anyway. If we could get reasonable assurance that our only person to come out and roleclaim is actually town, then the rest of the town could rally around him. Now, there's the chance that no one did anything, or that they were blocked, or that ixt is scum. And if someone did something last night, they may be keeping their cards hidden because if they are a cop, they don't know their mental status, etc yet. Lord knows that he has acted about as scummy as it gets so far this game. But I do not believe I'm voting for him today, barring any new information coming out.

The job of town is to find scum, not confirm townies.
I'm curious why you think a town PR would have targeted ixt to confirm him as town instead of targeting someone else and finding scum?

The bottom line is we don't have any other information to work off of as of now. Does anyone want to come out and refute what Willby is saying based off something that they know from last night? If not, I'm inclined to vote for the_paul, and of course, we know who to go after if he flips town. This is a huge risk for Willby to take, which makes me lean towards believing him.

Why are you fishing for town PR?

If someone can contradict WillBy, they would've done so out of their own volition, don't you think?

[RoDNeY]

Unless anyone has any actual results that can dispute willbys claims I see know real reason to not believe him. If hes wrong we lynch him tomorrow. Unless the Paul comes up with some godly rebuttal that negates willbys claim.

this is the first actual night result that points toward scum and half of you debated on it. Voth mainly seemed super hesitant to act on it and had to be persuaded. Did he notice there was no point in fighting the results and that he had to jump on before it looked like he was protecting his scum buddy?

also I'm still confused at exalts hard on for me and his thought process that me and the Paul are in cahoots. Willby and undercut said the same things as the Paul did about the bandwagon on me but yet only he is being referenced to it and the fact that I keep getting brought up with him is really starting to sound like scum manipulation. I wont refute the fact that this could be willbys way of gaining town trust early on as scum but night actions trump all and to not follow the only lead we have would be foolish.

Unvote Missa
vote the paul

typing this on mobile fuckin sucks