Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[Zeebu]

I'm tired that in multiple games, people just write whatever they want and call it truth, 'you said this', when I didn't. If someone is town days it, they are at best lazy beyond belief, and at worst, sabotaging Town. If its scum, they are trying to sow a seed of untruth.

It happened last game, its happening this game, and all of it is either bad play or scummy. So yes, you're going to get a combative tone from me if you accuse me of things I've literally, provably not said or done.

You were pretty obviously scum last game... what instance of poor/scummy play are you referring to? I’m just curious since I thought we were over referring to last game

[Kassius]

I'm tired that in multiple games, people just write whatever they want and call it truth, 'you said this', when I didn't. If someone is town days it, they are at best lazy beyond belief, and at worst, sabotaging Town. If its scum, they are trying to sow a seed of untruth.

It happened last game, its happening this game, and all of it is either bad play or scummy. So yes, you're going to get a combative tone from me if you accuse me of things I've literally, provably not said or done.

[Kassius]

Seems really clear to me, in the first post I say I investigated you. In the second, I said I jailed scarlet.

It's not that hard, I was questioning why you took Willby's incorrect revisionist assertation as truth, then mixed it into a 'summary post' that you know less active people tend to read more than other posts.

You're playing scummy.

[Jessup]

Jessup I didn't jail twice in a row, where did you read this?

You keep getting snotty at people kass who do not understand your cryptic role and cryptic reveals.. especially day 1 was a head scratcher. it seems a little fishy to me the combative nature you use when people get it wrong and you refuse to simply just reexplain to make things clear rather you force people to search the entire thread to pull up your ambiguous results. This is like the 3rd or 4th time you don't reexplain and get snotty sigh. Anyways I'm posting all relevant posts on ur role here so no one has to go back anymore and deal with you combative , that is not what I said stuff..

Originally posted by Kassius View Post


I'll correct again, I'm not the town voyeur. The town voyeur would potentially know more than me last night on the actions against Jessup if they watched Jessup.

I've let this cook a while, to see what kind of reactions would come out of my claims.
ion true, go ahead. But I am Town, and I can vote against scum on lynches, so you decide.

I'm the Town Wildcard. I targeted Jessup last night, in the hope of a protective or investigative role. I got a cop role, I investigated Jessup last night. I received 'no clues' because she was locked up in solitary. From this, I know:

a) She was jailed
b) There is a cop for me to have copied the role off

Oh, and I was secretly hoping to get the cult recruit power N1 because that would have been awesome lol.

Cod





If I were on the scum team, I wouldn't have touched Jessup with a barge pole last night, with the potential of a self-protect, at least 1 jailer, a cop, and potentially watchers/voyeurs with still not many people to look at other than Jessup. All they could have done in my view, is try and go completely off the path and kill a townie that would give as least information to people as possible last night, i.e. if we went back through the victim's posts it wouldn't incriminate scum.



So with these thoughts in mind, I believe that scum targeted someone other than Jessup. So last night we had:

• Jessup protected herself
• Kassius jailed Scarlet
• Someone could have jailed someone (unless they didn't submit their night action), and this could be scum on town, town on scum, or town on town. I know that someone could have jailed someone, because I copied the role last night, and I can't copy the roles of dead people as far as I'm aware, and no jailer has turned up dead yet.

Unless we learn who the real jailer jailed last night, I'll have to vote with my second strongest scum lean of yesterday after Willby, which was Scarlet due to last night's events. I.e. I believe I may have prevented the kill directly by jailing Scarlet. I believe Scarlet was chosen to make the kill based on the level of suspicion levelled against him by the end of D2, so if he was caught, it would limit damage to their team. This is pending further information from others from last night and is my thoughts at the time of this post.



Not sure how our other Jailer can come out with some further info without exposing themself, i.e. if they jailed Voth or Field, which to me would be equally valid lynch targets at this stage. Voth even more so if we are to believe Halp's information.
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Information : I successfully jailed Scarlet last night. Why didn't I just get success/fail? I checked with Kthx before posting this as I was confused as you are all probably now, as the role in the link I was given says I just get success/fail if appropriate. He said, and I have to paraphrase this to not break rules, that in a prison, people talk and it's unlikely people won't see what you're doing. So he's amended the roles slightly. To me at least, it makes sense that I know what I'm doing, I'm 'crazy', but not exactly schizophrenic (a proper role), which would potentially not have knowledge of the other personalities' actions, thus me not knowing what I did or not.

My analysis:

I think that my role has been altered a tad from vanilla to make it more powerful, town must be missing an obvious power role, and my role is seen as a way to mix things up.

Other roles may have been tweaked from vanilla, so let's not make assumptions, like

normally

doctors can't protect themselves. Well, all bets are off the table now, and I'm inclined to believe Jessup's claim and action from last night.

Although Town were on the back foot, there are still no obvious claimed power roles that Town has other than Jessup. I think Scum going for Jessup would be a bad move, because of the Jailer. Unless Scum have the jailer, which initially for flavour would seem feasible, however the balance of Scum having a jailer and town being given a wildcard in lieu of another role doesn't really make

So you claimed someone locked/jailed me in solitary yet were a cop/investigative role

[Jessup]

I'm x shot doc and wanted to save them for proper uses

[Jessup]

Current Vote Count-

Voth - 4 (Halp, PF, Kass, Jessup)

Halp - 4 (Field, Exalt, Willby, Voth)

M_Leo - 1 (Scarlet)

No Vote- beast, m_leo, zeebu

Edit* Vote count is

Halp - 5 (Field, Exalt, Willby, Voth, scarlet)

Voth - 4 (Halp, PF, Kass, Jessup)

No Vote- beast, m_leo, zeebu

[Kassius]

I'm voting halp
"None of this weird crap" is cute and all but that's not what you've claimed.
Jessup If you can self-target, why did you target nobody N1 and not yourself?
Why didn't you answer the question?

That's a good question Scarlet.

[Kassius]

Current Vote Count-

Voth - 4 (Halp, PF, Kass, Jessup)

Halp - 4 (Field, Exalt, Willby, Voth)

M_Leo - 1 (Scarlet)

No Vote- beast, m_leo, zeebu

That vote count is interesting. No one I suspect is on the Voth train, 3/4 of who I suspect is on Halp.

Maybe scum think they can just power through with impunity if they can get a town kill today, and another tonight?

[scarlet]

I'm voting halp
"None of this weird crap" is cute and all but that's not what you've claimed.
Jessup If you can self-target, why did you target nobody N1 and not yourself?
Why didn't you answer the question?

[Kassius]

Jessup I didn't jail twice in a row, where did you read this?

[Jessup]

Current Vote Count-

Voth - 4 (Halp, PF, Kass, Jessup)

Halp - 4 (Field, Exalt, Willby, Voth)

M_Leo - 1 (Scarlet)

No Vote- beast, m_leo, zeebu

[Jessup]

I can't be swayed from Voth sadly. I'd seriously tried to allow Voth EVERY benefit I could this game but literally from Day 1 onwards Voth has been my biggest scum read. Slaying all our townies for awful reasons, making no sense, deflection and insults. It is a TERRIBLE town environment honestly he makes even if he is a townie but.. he isn't in ALL probability I can reason with. It is super unpleasant lol. I dunno what is going on in this game though. We got some really weird claims.

Gambler (5-/50 vote stripper willby)
Wildcard (random powergrabber who got jail 2 times in a row/kassius)
Librarian (1shot cop/1shot solitary confinement maker who has a gun/voth..insults everyone besides scarlet, field exalt, willby and zeebu)
Doctor (none of this weird crap and straight forward/jessup)
Governor (who can STOP day Votes/Exalt..threatens to stop lynch on voth today)
1 shot prison briber (says voth is librarian/field)
friend neighbor 2 shot (1 note to willby/zeebu)
Gunsmith (1 shot gun gifter/x shit gun checker (voth has a gun)
Beast Lurker (unknown but sends out special code about guard training and polar bears in Norway who field then responds back to in return code mentioning grizzly bears..???)
M_Leo lurker 0 help/unclaimed
PF Lurker who believe halp initially when checking voth and guess what vote voth is said/unclaimed
Scarlet/ unclaimed been hanging with voth who started as mortal enemy and suddenly they got on same side/unclaimed ..also hangs with exalt and field

Jessups current thinking who is scum.

Exalt (Warden Scum)
Voth Goon Scum)
Field (Goon Scum)
Scarlet (Goon)
Beast (Mafia Traitor after that jailor/polar bear comment and field responds with grizzly bear)???

This game is frustrating though because Town really should be less combative to gain trust. I dislike how field and voth have been playing going after lurkers and killing town and so much dumb stuff is being spewed.. it just seems word diarrhea. Exalt has been involved and so has scarlet.

Rambling I know but I just woke up.

[Kassius]

I targeted you scarlet because it makes no sense to target people I believe are town aligned when I could potentially kill them with the godfather action. It makes much more sense to investigate/block/jail/kill or whatever I roll my suspects rather than people I think are town in my view.

I explained I targeted you as my top scum read after Willby. I believed me targeting Willby would be seen as obvious, and didn't take this action as a result, as scum would then not use Willby to carry out an important night action, like a kill.

As an aside, I think the inactivity of 2 keys players are unfortunately going to decide this game. PartyFalcon m_leonhard where you guys at?

[scarlet]

I don't expect the halp case to go anywhere because that would require halp to actually understand the concept that townies have more than one person that they think is scum at a given time. Other than not dropping exalt's case on beast, I don't think he has anything going on other than the Voth fakeclaim drama.
Halp can you give a definitive summary of your case against beast? Is there something I've missed that you can say about beast that you can't say about e.g. PartyFalcon?

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It's really annoying to see kassius act like such a moron, because he is a moron and I can't infer that he's scum from it. Why did we have to go from posts like #861 to the shit in #934?

Why did you choose scarlet and not Voth? I've already answered this.

You actually never did. You said I was your top scumpick, so you targeted me with a power which out of the claimed night actions in the game at that time would have been one of (jail/abduction, protect, vote gamble, good neighbor), and now that there's no scumkill, you're claiming that I was blocked. This narrative is convenient as fuck, but why were you targeting me with a (RNG) protect in the first place? Didn't you say you thought I was scum?

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Jessup If you can self-target, why did you target nobody N1 and not yourself?

[Halp]

I would literally rather get lynched than argue with no-logic Field, dude you’re so wrong on so many levels I can’t even begin. If you’re town you should be fucking embarrassed. I haven’t talked to PF since Tuesday. I told her kthx was talking about modkilling ppl. If I were scum I wouldn’t exploit my friend’s inactivity to get a free vote. That’s fucking insulting.

I don’t know for certain that Voth is scum, but I remember when mafia best practice was to lynch the person most likely to be scum, and right now it’s Voth. This isn’t just a hunch. Voth is playing the exact same scum game he always plays, throwing shade at everyone who questions him, leading Townie lynches then saying “whoops”, and that is why I chose to investigate him. Now I’ve revealed my role and actions and you all can do what you want with that information. I’m not a stupid player and I didn’t need to claim anything at all, but I’m STILL being called a useless lurker and being painted scum for it by the same people who have no legitimate reason to suspect I’m anything but town, and have been saying the same shit since D1. So yes, I am getting scum reads off of those people, because I’ve literally been defending myself for a fucking week. If I were going to fakeclaim I could do a lot better than this, and it wouldn’t be at the beginning of a day phase. Why am I the “lurker” but Zeebu is cool? He’s active? Useful? He’s literally posted 10 times and at least twice this game said that he “doesn’t care anymore”, but I’m a useless lurker? And Beast is on nobodies radar but mine? What in the actual fuck is going on. It’s hard not to think this is a scum plot.

Maybe Voth is town, but mathematically he is more likely scum than not based on several factors.

Field if you were town, I don’t think you would be this narrow minded. You are clearly foregoing all reasonable thought and being guided purely by confirmation bias, or you’re scum. If you are town, take a step back and consider how my claim could possibly benefit me or my team if I’m scum and I get Voth lynched. If I know he’s town, then I also know this is a short sided gambit and I get lynched next day phase. Do I have a reputation for being stupid?