Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[Jessup]

Edit.. The fact I healed myself* does line up and is VERY valid for town to know. ***

On this odd schedule where I sleep a few hours and wake up a few hours.. makes me spacey. i'm like on a Leonardo da Vinci sleep pattern.. Dunno how he did it and stayed sharp lol

[Jessup]

To be clear, I'm more than happy to vote Voth right now. I'll see how this phase progresses first.

ok fair enuff

[Jessup]

I appreciate your info being shared openly very much kass but fail to see any logic in not wanting to validate halps claimed cop with a guilty result ASAP for town. To me it makes ZERO sense to not fully get behind halp and see if his results are legit. It is great info you jailed scarlet too and that a jailor is now apparently confirmed in the game. Flavorwise I see no reason to believe this jailor is pro town sadly. Shawshank is about a brutal fuk fuk warden and evil guard who were jailing an innocent man time and time again in solitary confinement. It is terrifying mafia/scum has a jailor but sadly it makes sense now if what you are saying is true. I also never said I was positive I was targeted by scum but my results being success and the fact I jailed myself does line up and is VERY valid for town to know. If what you are saying is legit, your info too is REALLY important and is pegging scarlet very possibly. We now will need to see how scarlet and voth defend themselves against this very incriminating information now leveled against each of them.. heheheh I can't wait!!

I plead you to change your mind kass and go for Voth with us. Scarlet is an easy frontrunner for a lynch tomorrow now too!

[Kassius]

To be clear, I'm more than happy to vote Voth right now. I'll see how this phase progresses first.

[Kassius]

I think Jessup has jumped the gun with why there were no deaths last night, there are more reasons out there.

• The killer was roleblocked.
• The killer was jailed.
• The victim was jailed.
• The victim was bussed with Jessup (assuming we don't have one at this point though now, to be fair, but can't rule it out)
• Jessup protected herself.

Well, here's some information from last night, and I'm going to be as completely clear as I can and separate the information from my analysis, due to previous criticism for trying to fish a little by providing murky info.

Information : I successfully jailed Scarlet last night.

Why didn't I just get success/fail? I checked with Kthx before posting this as I was confused as you are all probably now, as the role in the link I was given says I just get success/fail if appropriate. He said, and I have to paraphrase this to not break rules, that in a prison, people talk and it's unlikely people won't see what you're doing. So he's amended the roles slightly. To me at least, it makes sense that I know what I'm doing, I'm 'crazy', but not exactly schizophrenic (a proper role), which would potentially not have knowledge of the other personalities' actions, thus me not knowing what I did or not.

My analysis:

I think that my role has been altered a tad from vanilla to make it more powerful, town must be missing an obvious power role, and my role is seen as a way to mix things up.

Other roles may have been tweaked from vanilla, so let's not make assumptions, like normally doctors can't protect themselves. Well, all bets are off the table now, and I'm inclined to believe Jessup's claim and action from last night.

Although Town were on the back foot, there are still no obvious claimed power roles that Town has other than Jessup. I think Scum going for Jessup would be a bad move, because of the Jailer. Unless Scum have the jailer, which initially for flavour would seem feasible, however the balance of Scum having a jailer and town being given a wildcard in lieu of another role doesn't really make balance sense to me. I'm leaning towards the Jailer been town for this reason. This would make targeting Jessup very risky at best, given how I jailed her N1, and we have another Jailer out there who I think is town, with no obvious targets to protect.

If I were on the scum team, I wouldn't have touched Jessup with a barge pole last night, with the potential of a self-protect, at least 1 jailer, a cop, and potentially watchers/voyeurs with still not many people to look at other than Jessup. All they could have done in my view, is try and go completely off the path and kill a townie that would give as least information to people as possible last night, i.e. if we went back through the victim's posts it wouldn't incriminate scum.

So with these thoughts in mind, I believe that scum targeted someone other than Jessup. So last night we had:

• Jessup protected herself
• Kassius jailed Scarlet
• Someone could have jailed someone (unless they didn't submit their night action), and this could be scum on town, town on scum, or town on town. I know that someone could have jailed someone, because I copied the role last night, and I can't copy the roles of dead people as far as I'm aware, and no jailer has turned up dead yet.

Unless we learn who the real jailer jailed last night, I'll have to vote with my second strongest scum lean of yesterday after Willby, which was Scarlet due to last night's events. I.e. I believe I may have prevented the kill directly by jailing Scarlet. I believe Scarlet was chosen to make the kill based on the level of suspicion levelled against him by the end of D2, so if he was caught, it would limit damage to their team. This is pending further information from others from last night and is my thoughts at the time of this post.

Not sure how our other Jailer can come out with some further info without exposing themself, i.e. if they jailed Voth or Field, which to me would be equally valid lynch targets at this stage. Voth even more so if we are to believe Halp's information.

Vote Scarlet

[Jessup]

God .. when Voth flips scum, town has the potential here for a circle of healing amongst the doc, cop and bodyguard.. We def need him out this phase to see if halps result is legit here. I really hope this all pans out because town can be in a REALLY good position when (if ... in the VERY slight chance he isn't lol) Voth flips scum.

[PartyFalcon]

Voth Hey you got some kinda defense to make for why you have allegedly pulled a dirty investigate??

vote voth

[Jessup]

Vote Voth

Time to swing scum.Anyone supporting Voth at this stage in the game is silly as fk and will be openly protecting the most outwardly anti town player we have. He has been railing against every town player consistently, starting a train on me day 1, moving to Sherlock Holmes, then moving to vehicle, now he will try move against a claimed town cop. LOL, this guy Voth is either the most horrid townie ever or the most blatant scum in the history of the entire TW MAfia games. The good news is this should be an easy peezy day for town. The fact no one died last night also affords us the comfort and time to trust halp here and get rid of this proven scummer by our claimed town cop who has nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose if he is lying(the wonderful and amazing player halp). Either way a Voth train is choo chooing and I'm ALL IN. Halp just checkmated your ass Voth lool and I couldn't be happier because either you prove to us you are the most god awful townie ever or the most god awful scum ever and I got to see this to believe this. :laugh:

Also folks scum attacked me I'm fairly sure last night. I protected MYSELF and got a SUCCESS. Yup your doctor can self protect..and that is EXACTLY what I did last night. lool dum dum scum.. get rekt.. If voth swings scum we can assume both me and halps predictions are true about who is scum. They are trying to ko town who has them pegged by being active in game and using word diarrhea I think. Time for town to unite now and make the push! LEts go townies!

[Beast]

Anything useful to say?

Or are you just happy to play the role of added count?

i'm useful... it's still too early to claim, and I suggest you keep a low profile and do the same. scum are still dumb trying to target the "claimed" town doctor, and she hasn't died yet? a miracle...

[field]

u all are scum, i'm a sweet rolled townie.

Anything useful to say?

Or are you just happy to play the role of added count?

[field]

A last ditch effort? There are literally no votes on me and it’s the beginning of the phase. How is this a last ditch effort? So I’m scum when I have nothing to say, and I’m scum when I provide information? Ok..

I'll remind you that I called your claim a last ditch effort. For now, moving on.

Stop misrepresenting why I called you scum. My post is merely a few posts above yours. There are a few reasons:
-Noted absence earlier phases, only responding when called out.
-You stayed off Vehicle train on purpose, then attacked Voth immediately as if Voth was supposed to know Vehicle was town.
-You're picking and choosing, selectively referring to past posts in support of your arguments -- this is a scum tactic.
-Your entire argument as to why we should believe your claim rests on reverse psychology and "I wouldn't be so stupid to do so," while evading Scarlet's questions. This is a scum tactic.
-Provide all the information you have. The only reason you have for holding on to it is if you're scum who is afraid of being caught in a lie.

[Beast]

u all are scum, i'm a sweet rolled townie.

[Halp]

Is it mylo? Does your scumteam have five members?
I don't know your alignment.
Scum can't kill you because you're going to get lynched, so if it's a weak scumteam or we shoot the roleblocker or something like that, we get more reports for free. This is especially true if e.g. kassius copies your rolepower.
This'd all be obvious to you if you were actually our cop though.

Why respond to where I put my vote at the start of the day, which very clearly has nothing to do with where it ends up at the end of the day, and not to my questions about your role? Those take longer to think about?

With all of your experience playing varsity level mafia, are you of the opinion that townies should immediately dismiss an investigative claim while simultaneously demanding a full reveal from the person providing it? Are you here because you got exiled from MU for being terrible at this game?

I’ve provided info, believe it or don’t, I’m playing to my wincon and I’m not going to reveal all of the details of my role right now. If anyone here that isn’t scum thinks I have the balls/stupidity to fakeclaim this at the beginning of D3, then we honestly deserve to lose because you have lost touch with reality.

[Halp]

Voth + Field + Scarlet + Someone = Scum Team

I think Vehicle May have actually nailed the entire scum team with this post.

[scarlet]

Is it mylo? Does your scumteam have five members?
I don't know your alignment.
Scum can't kill you because you're going to get lynched, so if it's a weak scumteam or we shoot the roleblocker or something like that, we get more reports for free. This is especially true if e.g. kassius copies your rolepower.
This'd all be obvious to you if you were actually our cop though.

Why respond to where I put my vote at the start of the day, which very clearly has nothing to do with where it ends up at the end of the day, and not to my questions about your role? Those take longer to think about?