Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[Jessup]

What are you confirmed as? I have no idea, because I never said anything about that.

Ok noted this is a truism and I was wrong to say you confirmed me. For the record kass I am not coming after you right now. I trust your claim currently but just wanted to examine it in detail as it is very important.

[Kassius]

What are you confirmed as? I have no idea, because I never said anything about that.

[Jessup]

Jesus Christ, Jessup. Wind it back in, where did I say I got 'no result'. I'm about this close to voting you with this revisionist crusade against me.

Despite my scum reads on both of them, Scarlet and Field are the only ones that are actually posting what my result was, and they've put it together practically word for word, which I can't copy or write out because I'd be fucking modkilled.

I'm the

Town Wildcard

. I targeted Jessup last night, in the hope of a protective or investigative role. I got a cop role, I investigated Jessup last night. I received 'no clues' because she was locked up in solitary. From this, I know:

a) She was jailed

b) There is a cop for me to have copied the role off

Oh, and I was secretly hoping to get the cult recruit power N1 because that would have been awesome lol.

Can you explain how what I said was wrong? How do you know I am confirmed when you got "no clues"

Did you not say you are unsure if you were a cop too since you received a no clue result?

[Kassius]

I've consistently voted for voth and field so ya I think they both are scum at this point.

Also I was not the one role blocking kass because I took no doctor action N1. I assume kass was roleblocked by mafia or town or jailed by town or mafia. I personally think T_P was killed by mafia as cult leader. If I had T_P's role I doubt I'd risk an action night 1 action because doing a wild guess and being wrong would be too risky plus usually roles like that wait a night before starting their rampage.

Someone in town knows if they blocked or jailed me. I hope you can subtly find a way to let us know and gain towns trust and help us/me start piecing things together. It is crucial we start testing things out for real info.

To me Field and Voth still are best candidates to lynch as we learn something by either of their deaths. Willby is a close 3rd to hang as his role is trash and he has been really weird this game. Kass I trust.. for now though the claim honestly caused more confusion that it did good so far. It is really odd kass revealed when blocked and getting no result but still at the same time says I am confirmed town. Not sure how kass knows I am confirmed if no results happened and I was locked up. I am of course town doctor though and like kass is defending me.

Jesus Christ, Jessup. Wind it back in, where did I say I got 'no result'. I'm about this close to voting you with this revisionist crusade against me.

Despite my scum reads on both of them, Scarlet and Field are the only ones that are actually posting what my result was, and they've put it together practically word for word, which I can't copy or write out because I'd be fucking modkilled.

[Kassius]

So it's a bad play to deliberately ambiguously post early in the game to see who reacts and how, Scarlet?

[Jessup]

I've consistently voted for voth and field so ya I think they both are scum at this point.

Also I was not the one role blocking kass because I took no doctor action N1. I assume kass was roleblocked by mafia or town or jailed by town or mafia. I personally think T_P was killed by mafia as cult leader. If I had T_P's role I doubt I'd risk an action night 1 action because doing a wild guess and being wrong would be too risky plus usually roles like that wait a night before starting their rampage.

Someone in town knows if they blocked or jailed me. I hope you can subtly find a way to let us know and gain towns trust and help us/me start piecing things together. It is crucial we start testing things out for real info.

To me Field and Voth still are best candidates to lynch as we learn something by either of their deaths. Willby is a close 3rd to hang as his role is trash and he has been really weird this game. Kass I trust.. for now though the claim honestly caused more confusion that it did good so far. It is really odd kass revealed when blocked and getting no result but still at the same time says I am confirmed town. Not sure how kass knows I am confirmed if no results happened and I was locked up. I am of course town doctor though and like kass is defending me.

[scarlet]

I mean, you could ask Kthx if you want, but that seems a bit like asking for TMI, so I doubt he'd confirm or deny it. You can choose to vote whoever you want, but if I don't like the results at EoD, I'm ending things with a NL. If you don't believe me, that's on you. Play it however you see fit.

My problem is I do believe you. You're acting in a way that's not completely in line with your claim, and the claim explains how you've been acting up to now. Either it was super premeditated and you're a genius, or it's a real claim. That it's a real claim also implies that there's a good chance that you're town.

However, that doesn't make you any less fucking retarded. "A field or a willby lynch, or I force a nolynch". Yeah, because a nolynch is better than a beast lynch.

Vote Beast[/B]

What ever happened to this train?

Beast is a default lynch in all respects. He's not voting at the moment, nobody thinks his roleclaim has any weight behind it, etc.
However, there's no particular reason to think that he's scum either. After having (soft)claimed a useful role, he's now expected to fullclaim at some point in the future. I don't see any reason in particular to force that out now as opposed to e.g. D3
I don't disagree that we should lynch beast, but I don't see any reason to do it now when e.g. I wouldn't cc him if he claimed cop.

[scarlet]

PartyFalcon
exalt has claimed governor (can force the town to nolynch during the day [oneshot?]) and is holding the town hostage if they won't lynch either willby or field.

Kassius has claimed wildcard (uses a random power that still exists in the game during a targeted night action) and the unprovoked nature of the claim has lead most people (myself included) to conclude that he's town. He claims that he targeted jessup and the result was "his investigation failed to find any clues because jessup was in solitary".

Voth has claimed to have used his 1shot inspect on field and says that field is town.

In my opinion, Halp and m_leonhard are as scummy as ever, beast is as useless as ever. The only real developments here are beast soft(?)claiming a non-killing investigative role. The cases on halp and m_leonhard are pretty much just continuations on the cases on them from D1/N1.

I'll let someone more sympathetic to the willby and field cases explain those.

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Why are you playing dumb? Kassius can use the role of any role actively in the game. Exalt is confirming Kassius claim. Either you think this is a collaborative scum claim, or you want to force people to fullclaim who should not fullclaim. I read both scenarios as anti-town.

What the fuck are you talking about?
Where is exalt confirming kassius's claim? What the fuck has exalt done that has any bearing on kassius's claim? Exalt and kassius have literally no relation here. Maybe they're both scum together, maybe any combination of one or both or neither of them are scum. Their claims have no bearing on each other.

Kassius claimed four hundred thousand different contradictory things, like that jessup could have self protected (nb: not 'self-jailed' or 'self isolated' or 'self abducted'), then that actually he couldn't target jessup with some kind of investigate, that there's a cop when actually all he knows is that he couldn't "find any clues". It's not like kassius knows what his role does either (it's random) so it's not like I'm asking him to fullclaim when it's critical to our success that scum don't know what he can do. Actually, scum have a way better idea what he can do than I do, because scum have the list of powers that the entire scumteam (maybe the only nontown element left in the game after a N1 cult leader death) and I have only the list of mine and any player's claims in the thread that I'm willing to trust (and scum are in a much better position to know who is likely to make real and fake claims on D2 than I am).
Here's a thought for free: maybe Kassius copied a tracker, jessup was roleblock (not jailed, and was vulnerable to kills), and he failed to find clues because she was unable to act. I don't think that's the typical interpretation of a tracker's results on a blocked target, but I also don't think the roles that have been claimed so far in this game are typical.

tl;dr: kassius has fully claimed his role and actions, and it has fucking nothing to do with the conclusions he came to and fed to us during his soft claim, which dominate >50% of the day that's now <18hrs from close.
This has literally nothing to do with exalt.

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Jessup if voth is claiming that he has an innocent result on field, then you're telling me that one of the following is true:
either you think that field is the godfather
or you think that voth is lying scum
or you think that you're voting for an innocent

Note that the only outcome of a field lynch that has a reflection on voth's alignment is getting a "field is non-godfather scum" flip, which makes voth also scum.
Why's field a better lynch than voth? (probably neither of them is a good lynch)

[PartyFalcon]

Voth used one of only 2 shot actions he can use last night and chose field of all people to investigate lol and reveals this only after a power role govenor train is started on field..

Kass was blocked as wild card and basically doesn't know what is going on except that I was put in solitary and is unable to now say a cop is in the game while originally saying there is a cop.

Willby reveals gambler and that he lost yet still reveals(does not show up on vote count) Appears to change original claim in how the role works. Said predict lynch on night and now says 50/50 coin flip to strip votes from one and gain another. says 2 shot

Exalt has claimed 1 shot governor with a complete no lynch modification if town refuses to do his votes and chose field or willby.

Vehicle is still fine with a no lynch after this exalt push.

PF is still lurker to max scum

Scarlet voth fighting is toned down. Scarlet not pushing trains anymore and dancing around between what others say.

Beast is brash and defensive when called out by people

M_leo is more active, somewhat goofy and made a few pushes on willby and field

Jessup is confirmed doctor and 100% town

Zeebu has been lurking to the point of possible scum

Halp went after field and believes Jessup now.. least likely scum of lurkers

Musings from your town doctor :gorgeous:

Thanks for the quick recap—not “lurker to the max scum” I haven’t been online at all unfortunately IRL I have literally 15,000 documents to review and nowhere near enough time, so yes I have been inactive since IRL Sunday night.

tbh I am looking at A LOT of pages to read and very little time to read them—to the extent anyone has the capacity to compile some kind of summary or recap or argument for who I should vote for with links / relevant quotes and @ me in it, I will read and consider that and be thankful. I will do my best to read as much as I can and post some useful content once I have.

[Voth]

edit* chances you reveal this right after exalt starts train on field are slim

Oh, and you do know that even if you lynch field and he flips town, that doesn't confirm me, right? I know I don't have to point that out to such a well-seasoned A+ mafia player, though. I mean, I could be scum trying to gain town credibility who just knows field is 95% a townie and not any type of third party since the cult recruiter already died. (LOL Paulie)

So great. Your high speed mafia brain is in overdrive. Lynch the one person who has been outed as a townie right away so that you can then turn around and still wonder if I am who I say I am. I can guarantee we enter N2 with dead townie field and learned nothing from it. Really just outstanding work, Jessup.

I didn't realize you could regress to this level, but you continue to amaze me.

Oh and one other thing Jessup, you keep saying everything I'm doing is scummy. You are clearly just unable to separate personal vendetta from separate mafia games when people pull different roles. If you don't think me saving your ass instead of letting you hang D1 is as townie as it gets, I just don't know what to
say.

[Voth]

edit* chances you reveal this right after exalt starts train on field are slim

Makes sense. I should instead stay quiet that I investigated him and he came back innocent. That way, the lynch train can get going really well and I can make sure to stand by idly while the only investigation I had to use for the entire game is lynched. That would be the super pro-town way to play this. I'll try that one next time.

[Voth]

I rather vote field still and see if what you say is true or vote you voth. Your timing and actions are always leaning scum voth. The library had shit tons of scum activity and flavor going on it in the movie too. It was next to the Wardens office and guards were always up there.

I don't buy your logic going for field. chances u reveal all this info once exalt starts train on voth and it starts to pick up momentum pretty slim too. Plus conveniently you now a VT after we are to trust you on this which will leave you unchecked the rest of the game. Better to know now or get a hard reveal from field..

lol ok

[Jessup]

edit* chances you reveal this right after exalt starts train on field are slim

[Jessup]

I rather vote field still and see if what you say is true or vote you voth. Your timing and actions are always leaning scum voth. The library had shit tons of scum activity and flavor going on it in the movie too. It was next to the Wardens office and guards were always up there.

I don't buy your logic going for field. chances u reveal all this info once exalt starts train on voth and it starts to pick up momentum pretty slim too. Plus conveniently you now a VT after we are to trust you on this which will leave you unchecked the rest of the game. Better to know now or get a hard reveal from field..

[Voth]

Oh and Jessup, I should be soft confirmed town in your eyes if you're town. I had the option to sit back and let you hang too on Day 1 (and trust me, it would have felt great). But I didn't. I didn't want to risk losing our potential Doctor and I saved you. I could have just "been busy" during phase change and let two towniea get fucked D1 - but I didn't.

Halp I realize your erection for me this game is just because you're scum and you're threatened, but do you have any thoughts on the fact that I did that on D1 and how that impacts your scum read on me?