Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[midoent]

Keep in mind I live in Australia so can post at weird hours. I skimmed through. Is the vote balance a mistake? Can't be. Remember we are all terrible in mafia while he is a god.

[RoDNeY]

Before i run off to work i want to get this in here

If we are all just going to talk about pursuing the lurkers but not actually push them then idc ill do it

Vote Missa

What you got to say Missa? Havent heard from you this phase yet

[ixt]

So to Paul and exalt regardless if I believe either of u or not should I just shut up or post my thoughts? Cuz seems like I'm just suspected mafia regardless

[fiS]

Exalt I can try to give a 2 hour countdown in the future, but I did announce the phase change 12 hours before. It was a little unlucky maybe, but sunday evening I attended an event, was home very late and had no chance to give a warning earlier before.

The "euro evening times" where the game started and the first two phases changed is most likely the time at day where future phase changes will happen, too.

[ixt]

Willby sort of did that as u must also know fis since u were in game

[Exalt]

Speaking of which..

This phase had to end at one point, and I announced it would be this evening. As I don't see a discussion going on right now, I don't think that it'd be worth to further extend this phase.

fiS, can you give a direct time or countdown from now on before the phase ends? I think you caught almost everyone off-guard by your abrupt phase change, because your 'evening' means a lot of different things depending on where you live. For future days, can you at least post something like 'Phase change incoming in ~ 2 hours' or something along those lines? Knowing when the deadline will happen is a pretty significant factor in how players vote.

[Exalt]

What Paul and others are correct about is that Missa, midoent, and others have done nothing to help town so far, and they need to be looked at and pushed today if they continue this way. While I am grilling Paul (and him me), it's mostly because we are active and posting our thoughts, regardless of whether we disagree with them or not. Missa, midoent, and others have not done so, and it's about time they are forced to. If not, there's little reason to leave them alive, since I sure as hell don't want the endgame to be something like Missa, midoent, BIET, and Zeebu while all the active players are dead. You can pretty much guarantee a town loss if that's the case, so don't think me pushing Paul right now is giving those players an out. It's completely justified for one of them to die today, especially as neither Zeebu or BIET have any more excuses about it being a weekend.

[Exalt]

I'm not voting Voth today, because while his vote switch was really suspect, he at least admitted he screwed up and didn't really mean to. Really, I can say the same about Undercut as well. I will concede that the day phase ended abruptly, and I don't think any of us expected it to end as sudden as it did. That's a decent excuse for a lot of players as to why the NL stood, but I still want Paul's reasoning, since he was the only one who directly said he wanted that result. I want a logical explanation, since I tried my best to show him long ago why I thought his stance was fundamentally wrong. His only excuse I saw was math, so I used math. I then added a bunch of other reasons as well, which he seemed to concede, so I am really interested in what his reasons were to stick with that result. He hasn't given any, and I think it's justified to demand them at this point. He won't admit he was wrong, so I'm assuming he really does have some good excuses if he really is town. In my view, his actions as a whole (not just voting) haven't lined up with what I expect from a town player, and I've seen a lot of bad town play in the past that could potentially write off dumb mistakes. Ixt's play is a good example of that, yet Paul's is not. I've yet to see town play as he has in the past, so I'm really interested in hearing him actually defend himself without him blaming everyone else for what he chose to do.

[Exalt]

The_paul, I'm still waiting to hear your justification as to why you wanted a No Lynch on Day 1. You claimed it was basic math, but that was proven to be wrong, so you do have other 'town' reasons, right? What were they? You keep ignoring the question, so I will keep asking until you answer or get lynched. Don't blame anyone else with your answer either. Say exactly why you wanted a No Lynch and how you think it has helped town in this game. You can only control your vote, yet you chose to not vote anyone, so you should directly explain why.

Please answer, because you have refused to answer any questions given to you, and you are like a monkey throwing shit at the wall, hoping for something to stick. You have thrown names around here and there, but you haven't built a case on any of them yourself. You have continuously been asking others to do the scum hunting for you by hoping they ask questions of players of your choosing, rather than you doing so yourself. You even keep mentioning 'post count' as if that means anything at all. Substance is what matters, and you haven't given any, especially not by your own standards when you criticize mine and others.

Your refusal to answer any question that could possibly implicate you has been obvious to me. Your flailing around trying to get something to stick on anyone you can without you putting in the work has also been obvious. It looks to me exactly like scum would be doing, because you cannot fake a case easily, so you are trying to do whatever it is you can to get someone else to do it for you. I see that you've tried to fake one on me, but it's literally just you ignoring the facts and misrepresenting what I said without any proof to back up those claims. Your weaksauce case on me can be so easily refuted that even Rodney just shot you down, and Rodney knows I have been gunning for him the most so far. You have also been told by Rodney, ixt, myself, and WillBy (possibly more) just on page 6 alone that you have not scum hunted or pushed anyone Day 1, have yet to give a list of scum, and you continue to not do anything helpful (unless you think misrepresenting things I've said and done as such), yet all you can seem to do is say "well, this person over here kinda did the same thing if you squint real hard to interpret it as such!!11!!!"

You have continuously side-stepped every question directed toward you with excuses and finger pointing at someone else, so I'm asking that if you are town, please stop finger pointing when you are asked direct questions about your own motives and actions. Don't blame every other player for the choices you've made.

Oh, and I'll repeat my question again, in case you ignore it once more: You claimed you wanted a No Lynch due to basic math, but that was proven to be wrong almost immediately, so what were your other reasons?

[Soilderz]

The anger causes pain inside,
Too deep to understand.
And the pain, in turn, will cause,
More malice to my hand.

The scourge I lay upon you now,
You surely cannot break.
This curse will last for on and on,
You've made a grave mistake.

[ixt]

His hand in da cooki jar?

[Undercut]

over the fact i already stated my role while (dunno if i missed) rodney didnt say anything about his alignment? i mean sure u can read voth's action either way i agree. i guess its natural to feel animosity towards the guy who voted for u (similar as i seen last game).

He could have swapped his vote and tried to start a wagon on anyone, it doesn't change the fact that he clearly didn't want his hand in something.

[ixt]

this i cant disagree on, hence why theres much to be desired with some certain people already cued numerous times

[the_paul]

over the fact i already stated my role while (dunno if i missed) rodney didnt say anything about his alignment? i mean sure u can read voth's action either way i agree. i guess its natural to feel animosity towards the guy who voted for u (similar as i seen last game). and as i stated before, notice the difference in the people who voted for me vs rodney. those on me havent given any legit reason other than "oh, his claim is false" "scummiest play so far...herp derp..." while those on rodney are those who have provided insight to discuss and debate. now, this isnt an accusation to rodney more to show i am more town oriented in this perspective. and dont think i forgot u midoent...slapping a last vote on like that "seems scummiest play so far" although u have talked more than last game, my initial good thoughts of u being more likely town are down the drain, good suspicion of this being a mafia sketchy move.

Well, to be fair, some of the things you?ve done early on are traditionally (on this forum) mafia moves, which is usually enough for some warranted day 1 votes. Since then, more of the people who voted for Rodney have stayed involved and spoken up more, despite the fact that this game as a whole has been a boring lurkfest. I don?t think anyone will disagree that there are some egregious lurkers who aren?t getting any attention pointed their way for one reason or another.

[ixt]

I voted for ixt because I was confused as to why Voth seemed to want to jump ship at the last second to avoid lynching him. It was fairly obvious I was going to vote that way because like i did in fact say in my posts, the bandwagon on rodney seemed to form out of nowhere and I didn't understand it. I wanted to see if Voth would stick to his guns and avoid lynching ixt while hoping that a train formed on me for holding off on voting until the end of the phase. I wasn't trying to avoid a lynch I just thought that ixt was a way better option than rodney was.

Vote: Voth

I still just don't understand what he was trying to accomplish by swapping off ixt and on to me at the last second. It seems incredibly fishy to me, and he was obviously trying to avoid being tied to something that was about to happen.

over the fact i already stated my role while (dunno if i missed) rodney didnt say anything about his alignment? i mean sure u can read voth's action either way i agree. i guess its natural to feel animosity towards the guy who voted for u (similar as i seen last game). and as i stated before, notice the difference in the people who voted for me vs rodney. those on me havent given any legit reason other than "oh, his claim is false" "scummiest play so far...herp derp..." while those on rodney are those who have provided insight to discuss and debate. now, this isnt an accusation to rodney more to show i am more town oriented in this perspective. and dont think i forgot u midoent...slapping a last vote on like that "seems scummiest play so far" although u have talked more than last game, my initial good thoughts of u being more likely town are down the drain, good suspicion of this being a mafia sketchy move.