Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[Voth]

Interesting roleclaim, especially considering fis claimed this type of role in the last game that Willby hosted. Could it be that fis decided to include an inventor in the game due to clinging to that fake roleclaim last game, or that Willby is scum and seeing an opening there to roleclaim something that can be explained that way?

I will say this: the_paul has posted A LOT of walls of text, and a disproportionate amount of it has been questions. He's asking a LOT of questions. Over and over. This sort of constant grappling with questions he is throwing out there has always been indicative of mafia to me in the past. They propose questions so that they don't have to definitely state an opinion.

And yes, I know that's kind of funny given that I just asked a question in my first paragraph, LOL.

The bottom line is we don't have any other information to work off of as of now. Does anyone want to come out and refute what Willby is saying based off something that they know from last night? If not, I'm inclined to vote for the_paul, and of course, we know who to go after if he flips town. This is a huge risk for Willby to take, which makes me lean towards believing him.

[ixt]

one more thing to clarify. regarding your abilities, u failed to mention the quality of how u can use them. x-shot? or what? because i feel if youre about to make the boldest claim of the development so far, this info is necessary for townies to believe hat u are, which u initially failed to do.

[WillBy]

someone to jog my memory, inventor role cannot use items on themselves yeah? and your brief comment midway through has caused me to second guess your claim. if you really are what u say u are and had investigated paul, why would u want to lynch someone else outside your known info of mafia? im not gonna vote just yet until i hear paul's response.

something important to note here. as someone mentioned the possibility of multiple cops, i dont think its likely with the number of players, but who knows? theres two sides to this: willby really has an investigative role and flipped tp scum, or he is scum himself and is hoping to oust a townie/power role. i would like to believe the prior as paul's last few posts have been more on the defensive side for self-protection, but willby's mention of me is giving me second guesses along with not hearing paul's response.

Sorry, didn't make that super clear for new players. Look up jack of all trades (joat) then reread my claim.

and I've been suspicious of you since the start, paul just gets priority since there is more cause here than I have with you

[WillBy]

Also it would be super fun if this was a SK and cult game, instead of normal mafia. Especially if we cut off the cults head right here, right now

[ixt]

i had typed that midway through before all the responses popped out btw

[ixt]

Yeah, and its the_paul. I guess since nobody else has decided to bite, I'll clarify and probably throw the game (but you guys did first!)

I'm the townie inventor, though it reads more like an adapted joat. I can investigate, protect, and roleblock, but will have to create new ones. After I use them. I used investigate last night on tp and got guilty. This is reliable info, unless there was a bus driver, which seems unlikely as I dont think fis likes those.

So, while I'd love to lynch ixt today, we've got one in the bag right now. Sorry paul, I missed playing with you. For what it's worth, i was hoping youd be innocent. Then soilderz died, and I decided to not instantly roleclaim.

while this move may very well cost me my life, I think it's the best play for now. Assuming 4 scum, if we can reduce it down to 3 early on, we can buy ourselves a lot of time.

someone to jog my memory, inventor role cannot use items on themselves yeah? and your brief comment midway through has caused me to second guess your claim. if you really are what u say u are and had investigated paul, why would u want to lynch someone else outside your known info of mafia? im not gonna vote just yet until i hear paul's response.

something important to note here. as someone mentioned the possibility of multiple cops, i dont think its likely with the number of players, but who knows? theres two sides to this: willby really has an investigative role and flipped tp scum, or he is scum himself and is hoping to oust a townie/power role. i would like to believe the prior as paul's last few posts have been more on the defensive side for self-protection, but willby's mention of me is giving me second guesses along with not hearing paul's response.

[WillBy]

If you've got a busdriver in your pocket then let's go, like I said I wanted you to be townie.

[WillBy]

It's a good effort, but not the role claim you could afford to make. I have an all day meeting starting in 15, I'll explain why this was a mistake after I get off work today. And what's more, I have a 50:50 chance that a townie can corroborate my claim.

See you guys around 6 EST

Claim a townie can corroborate? We have no confirmed townies at the moment. But go go ahead and take your time, talk to your mafia friends, and get back to us when you've got a strategy in place.

[the_paul]

Yeah, and its the_paul. I guess since nobody else has decided to bite, I'll clarify and probably throw the game (but you guys did first!)

I'm the townie inventor, though it reads more like an adapted joat. I can investigate, protect, and roleblock, but will have to create new ones. After I use them. I used investigate last night on tp and got guilty. This is reliable info, unless there was a bus driver, which seems unlikely as I dont think fis likes those.

So, while I'd love to lynch ixt today, we've got one in the bag right now. Sorry paul, I missed playing with you. For what it's worth, i was hoping youd be innocent. Then soilderz died, and I decided to not instantly roleclaim.

while this move may very well cost me my life, I think it's the best play for now. Assuming 4 scum, if we can reduce it down to 3 early on, we can buy ourselves a lot of time.

It's a good effort, but not the role claim you could afford to make. I have an all day meeting starting in 15, I'll explain why this was a mistake after I get off work today. And what's more, I have a 50:50 chance that a townie can corroborate my claim.

See you guys around 6 EST

[WillBy]

Also, I've been waiting for someone else to bring this up, and nobody has yet. I could wait for the experience to notice it, but that seems to be a lost cause at this point. Anybody want to present any theories why there was only 1 kill last night? Did the kill come from mafia? Vigi? Usually the writing for serial killers is a little different, but is this on the table? Should we talk about this, or would we rather bandwagon based on trust?

I'll be gone for the day, hopefully some actual discussion happens outside of Exalt and ixt.

The kill text made it sound bloody. This means either sk or mafia, I'm leaning mafia as 2 killing factions can be really unbalanced in 13 player game. I think a vigi would be a cleaner kill, and we have no other explanation for not having a mafia kill

[WillBy]

Just want to add this: unless they are playing an amazing team scum game and throwing up some pretty solid interference posts to throw us off, between Exalt and the_paul, one of them is scum. If they are posting these extremely detailed and long debates to throw us off, that is an excellent move, but not one that I think is happening.

Yeah, and its the_paul. I guess since nobody else has decided to bite, I'll clarify and probably throw the game (but you guys did first!)

I'm the townie inventor, though it reads more like an adapted joat. I can investigate, protect, and roleblock, but will have to create new ones. After I use them. I used investigate last night on tp and got guilty. This is reliable info, unless there was a bus driver, which seems unlikely as I dont think fis likes those.

So, while I'd love to lynch ixt today, we've got one in the bag right now. Sorry paul, I missed playing with you. For what it's worth, i was hoping youd be innocent. Then soilderz died, and I decided to not instantly roleclaim.

while this move may very well cost me my life, I think it's the best play for now. Assuming 4 scum, if we can reduce it down to 3 early on, we can buy ourselves a lot of time.

[the_paul]

Also, I've been waiting for someone else to bring this up, and nobody has yet. I could wait for the experience to notice it, but that seems to be a lost cause at this point. Anybody want to present any theories why there was only 1 kill last night? Did the kill come from mafia? Vigi? Usually the writing for serial killers is a little different, but is this on the table? Should we talk about this, or would we rather bandwagon based on trust?

I'll be gone for the day, hopefully some actual discussion happens outside of Exalt and ixt.

[the_paul]

I'm not saying you're wrong, and the_paul might be mafia, but can you post a synopsis of this evidence? Is there something you know that the rest of us do not?

I'm looking forward to reading this after I get off of work today. I've been asking for evidence, quotes, anything, from anybody, pointing at anyone. I haven't seen much of an attempt yet, so I'm interested to see what Willby comes up with.

[Voth]

Just want to add this: unless they are playing an amazing team scum game and throwing up some pretty solid interference posts to throw us off, between Exalt and the_paul, one of them is scum. If they are posting these extremely detailed and long debates to throw us off, that is an excellent move, but not one that I think is happening.

[Voth]

Okay, so here goes.

I'll start with myself. Like I explained before, I expected that day phase to go at least an hour longer than it did, and I did login to check votes and see if anyone had went for Undercut with me, but phase had changed already. Like I said, if I managed to login before the phase change, I would have made an on the fly decision to cast a deciding vote on ixt or rodney. I was not trying to "stay out of" anything, I actually believe that Undercut is scummy as hell and I was much less sure about both ixt and Rodney. As I said before, I'm totally fine with people calling me out for this as from an outside perspective, it looks horrible, and I would do the same thing if I saw anyone else pull the same move. It's fair, and I understand it, but I'm just providing my explanation for what happened on my end.

Now, moving on to the rest of you...

I'm hoping that someone town-aligned had some sort of luck last night with gathering some useful information. As I just asked above to Willby, he seemed to insinuate that the_paul is more than likely mafia. I'm wondering if he knows something we don't, and I hope he let's us know soon. As for the_paul, he's an adept mafia player, and I feel neutral about his alignment at the moment. He is likely not going to slip up, even with his long and detailed posts, and could very well be playing an extremely vocal game as scum because it tends to feel like the most vocal among us are town, and he knows that.

Exalt is very much in the same boat as the_paul to me. I'm neutral on him at the moment, but leaning towards town. As with the_paul, he could also be playing an extremely vocal scum game, and he is very good at putting people on blast, making himself look innocent and whomever he is targeting look guilty. Nothing jumps out at me as scummy yet.

zeebu, BIET: what the hell guys? If you're town, you're not helping anything or anyone. You have barely posted. I'm considering a vote on one of these two today in order to force their hand to play or be lynched. I believe at least one of them is probably mafia, and leaning towards BIET.

Midoent is an idiot and has literally zero insightful comments to make about this game. He also doesn't post much and then shows up to throw 3-5 sentences down in 2-3 separate posts and then disappears. Could be scum, but could be town and just bad.

ixt at the moment is off my radar only because I'm sure that a town power role did something to help corroborate his roleclaim last night...I hope so anyway. If we could get reasonable assurance that our only person to come out and roleclaim is actually town, then the rest of the town could rally around him. Now, there's the chance that no one did anything, or that they were blocked, or that ixt is scum. And if someone did something last night, they may be keeping their cards hidden because if they are a cop, they don't know their mental status, etc yet. Lord knows that he has acted about as scummy as it gets so far this game. But I do not believe I'm voting for him today, barring any new information coming out.

Undercut: Undercut is up top with BIET at the top of my scum list. I wanted people to jump off their respective wagons and lynch this guy last day phase. I voted him because I have a huge gut feeling that he's mafia and needs to go. Of course, he jumps right out on this day phase to overplay my vote on him last day phase as a 100% indication that I'm scum. I won't go into it again as my reasoning was detailed earlier in the post, but here's my take: I'm town, Undercut is mafia, and he sees an easy reason to push for me to get lynched today. He knows that if I'm lynched today, that's two townies down going into night 2, where another townie will likely be killed, and it will be extremely difficult from there for town to win, especially with the doctor gone... RIP soilderz.

Missa: Not sure what to make of her silence. I know she's new at this, but I don't think Missa is dumb, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was mafia and playing a quiet, careful game because that's the way she thinks it should be played. I am leaning towards possible mafia.

Willby: Not sure, early vote bandwagon day one could have been a mafia ruse (as it did disband) or an indication that he is actually town. Waiting to hear more from him on his last post about the_paul. Neutral on him currently.

field: Forgot field was playing until I looked at the player list, and it actually concerns me. He's a smart player and might be lurking just enough to fly under the radar. I am hoping to hear from him soon, and if we don't, we should be very curious about him. Might be playing a perfect under the radar scum game.

Rodney: What to say about rodney....I really don't know. Hard to tell if the way that he calls people out and talks is just rodney being rodney, or scum indicators. I'm also thinking that he wouldn't be coming at people with such tenacity if he was mafia as he knows that it does tend to put a target on your back. Interesting that he was one of the two bandwagons yesterday also, and definitely needs analysis as we get more information and can look back at who voted for who.