Mafia: What a time to be alive!

[Exalt]

Let us all not forget this list from Day 1 everyone:

Rodney - 5 (Exalt, Zeebu, field, ixt, Soilderz)
ixt - 5 (WillBy, Undercut, Missa, midoent, Rodney)

Undercut - 1 (Voth)
field - 1 (BIET)
midoent (the_paul)


I think BIET may be scum actually. Whether Voth is or not is another matter, but the_paul would have coached BIET to follow his lead here. BIET also tried to keep Paul alive after the guilty result and fake claim, and he never responded when I questioned him on it. He's not playing the game to win it for town based on what I can tell.

Also, Rodney, sometimes I think I'm mistaken and you aren't scum, but looking at the list of people who voted you Day 1, it looks like a complete town list to me. All the people I am suspect of (besides WillBy obviously) were on ixt or not voting anyone all. Can you explain why that is? I trust Zeebu, field, ixt, and confirmed townie Soilderz (plus myself) more than Undercut, Missa, and Midoent, even with basically confirmed town WillBy on that wagon.

If you are town, can you explain your thoughts on this now that Day 2 is over?

[RoDNeY]

Voth bro you shakin in your boots rn?

[Exalt]

So whose the next probable scum that needs to go? BIET? Midoent? Missa? Rodney? Undercut?

Current standings:
the_paul (willby, ixt, zeebu, voth, ixt, exalt, rodney, field, biet, the_paul) <- yes, ixt actually voted the_paul twice (here and here)
voth (undercut)
no votes (missa, midoent)

With these standings (9 in favor) it is almost certain the_paul will be lynched today, even with the no voters picking voth it takes 2 switches to force a tie. Are we all sheep who follow willby's first vote like he said we are? we also have two people not showing up at all, and undercut voting for voth, whats up with that?

I had another look at all that's happened since soild's death. And the two things that stand out the most are definitely the role claims of willby and the_paul. After some thought, and I must have totally missed zeebu's post about this earlier when I posted my vote, it indeed seems very unlikely for willby to be an inventor. Since it was confirmed there was also a town doctor in play, and most likely a RB and cop (which tp claimed), wouldn't it be a bit too heavy on the roles? claiming inventor is also about the only role I can imagine that could not easily be refuted since it's a bit of everything. it just suits so many different scenarios.

the_paul must be feeling the weight of all the votes against him to role claim about halfway through the day. willby claims paul is guilty, paul claims he is the town cop. let go into some scenarios here:

what would it mean to lose the town cop at this point? for willby it would mean he is either an insane inventor (is that even a thing?), paul was switched by the busdriver, or willby is not what he says he is at all. losing the cop would also mean losing our ability to investigate as well as protecting.

it's likely that paul is just using the claim as an effort to confuse, but we have to at least consider the consequences.

to clearify, I'm not trying to protect paul in any way and I still think he is scum, but after playing cop last game (my first game) I know what value it has for town to win and we can't afford to lose him this early on.

BIET is up there on my list due to this post. Midoent acting dumb and doing nothing all game also puts him there. Missa being quiet and careful does as well, because shes not dumb, so I can't easily write her off as just bad at this like I can with someone like Midoent. Rodney is someone I've been looking at since the beginning, so I don't think I need to explain that further. As for Undercut, did he post at all Day 2? I can't remember seeing his name at any point, but maybe I just missed it. Regardless, all the people that were super quiet after WillBy's guilty result on Paul are suspect.

On a positive note, WillBy finding the Mafia Cop is a big deal.

[WillBy]

Things we learned:
WillBy is town inventor
The Baddies are mafia (as opposed to like, a cult).

Things we still don't know:
Who the mafia members are
If we have a SK or other third party role
Who else were can trust

Good night town, and if I don't see you again, thanks for believing in me and good luck!

[fiS]

Final Vote Count:

the_paul - 10 (Exalt, WillBy, Zeebu, field, Voth, Missa, BIET, ixt, Rodney, the_paul)
Voth - 1 (Undercut)
Missa - 1 (midoent)

This day appeared to be longer than it actually had to be. After the first sleepless night it didn't take long until there was a bold accusation, at first sight a seemingly good lead - the only lead?

But what is it worth? Is it worth to risk lynching the Cop? Ten out of twelve of our remaining villagers agreed to follow the lead and even though the mood was still quite tense - the Cop himself, the_paul, gave up and voted himself and as discussion slowed down, everyone waited for the sunset to come - not because sunsets are beautiful, but because eventually that's the time when the_paul was finally hanging from the gallows.

After the lynch they found out, shockingly, that the corpse indeed carried a gun and plenty of donuts with him. Great release was to be noticed among the villagers though when finally it was clear that the_paul was the Mafia's Cop.

So that's when Night 2 begins.

[Voth]

I had to ask 800 questions because only Exalt and ixt bothered posting anything else. Discussion is what makes this game fun.

I was going to point out more holes in what Willby has done, but people's minds are made up, and my heart isn't really in it right now. Not a good 24 hours here in Colorado.

Fis thanks for hosting, gg everyone and thanks for the distraction, sorry for taking up so much space with just me and Exalt.

I am not attacking you for it, only saying that I have had it lead me to mafia in the past. In fairness, I think I have been pretty active and I would not characterize ixt spamming idiocy as a positive thing.

[the_paul]

Yes, I think that Paul has posted a disproportionate amount of questions versus actual statements. In past games, this has led me to mafia members. I believe that asking question after question to leave things open ended is a fairly common way for mafia members to propose ideas without actually being accusatory, which is for self-preservation. Of course I know that questioning is a huge part of this game, though I also know that too many questions can be cause for concern also. You're free to disagree of course, but it's certainly not me calling anyone out for trying to "play the game correctly."

I had to ask 800 questions because only Exalt and ixt bothered posting anything else. Discussion is what makes this game fun.

I was going to point out more holes in what Willby has done, but people's minds are made up, and my heart isn't really in it right now. Not a good 24 hours here in Colorado.

Fis thanks for hosting, gg everyone and thanks for the distraction, sorry for taking up so much space with just me and Exalt.

[Voth]

what else do you want to know? he was responsible for the no lynch and then took an either/or stand against exalt/paul until willby came out and roleclaimed then finally jumped on board. this post struck me as odd as well since asking questions is generally how you seek out scum. paul has said and done plenty of things to be where he is now, but calling out someone for trying to play the game correctly isnt a good reason.

Yes, I think that Paul has posted a disproportionate amount of questions versus actual statements. In past games, this has led me to mafia members. I believe that asking question after question to leave things open ended is a fairly common way for mafia members to propose ideas without actually being accusatory, which is for self-preservation. Of course I know that questioning is a huge part of this game, though I also know that too many questions can be cause for concern also. You're free to disagree of course, but it's certainly not me calling anyone out for trying to "play the game correctly."

[Voth]

I will say this much: if in the slight chance that Paul is not scum, Voth trying desperately to tie me with him (claiming one of us is scum) to set up successive lynches will be proven to be one of the scummiest moves in this game, apart from his move to Undercut at deadline. I am also suspicious of Voth for what he said about field 'distancing' himself from Rodney, because it doesn't make any sense to tie those two together. Field voted Rodney, but Voth didn't, so isn't it far more likely that Voth is tied with Rodney than with field? This is also all assuming Rodney is scum, but Voth seems pretty sure of it enough to call field out for distancing, yet... he never seemed to want to vote Rodney. My take from it is that Voth seemingly knows alignments already, which would mean he is scum. We'll see what happens though.

Exalt, I think I've already addressed this, but I will again:

I pointed out that with the way you and the_paul were sparring, that one of you was likely mafia. I don't see how that's an unreasonable statement or thought to make, and I certainly don't see how that's trying to tie you to him. I was simply pointing out that in my opinion, based on the back-and-forth you two were having, one of you was mafia in my opinion. Once Willby came forward with his information, I voted for the_paul, and I do believe he is mafia. I have mentioned before that I have felt neutral about you but likely pro-town, and again, I was only saying that based on the interactions you had with paul, one was likely mafia, and I think it's clear where I landed on that.

As for mentioning that field is "distancing" himself from Rodney, I said that because it felt like I was being dogpiled by Rodney and Field simultaneously, and then field immediately made sure to add in a comment suspicious of Rodney, as if he knew it was obvious they were dogpiling and needed to add a comment in questioning rodney in order to make it less suspicious. Again, I don't think this is something unreasonable to point out.

It does make me interested that people are calling me out to this extent, and who is calling me out. I made it very clear that I was taken off guard by day 1 phase ending abruptly, and intended to switch my vote to not allow a no-lynch. I just didn't login in time. I do think it's fair to criticize me, like I've said before, but it's interesting to what level this has occurred, when I was certainly not the only one whose voting could be called suspicious on Day 1. Undercut waited until the very last minute to cast a vote at all and it was tying vote...much more suspicious in my opinion than me earlier than him unvoting ixt and trying to push for Undercut's lynching.

Zeebu, as far as third party goes, I'm not sure if there is a third party in this game or not. With only one night phase under our belt and one kill occurring, it's unclear. I am town, not third party, and certainly not mafia. But if there is a third party, mafia might know it already (i.e. if there was a Vigilante or Serial Killer out there and mafia did not target Soilderz), and that makes me wonder what you might know that we don't, because this is not the first time you've brought up a third party possibility, despite the fact that there are no indicators yet that one exists in this game. I will be keeping that in mind.

[fiS]

Phase will change in ~4 hours

[WillBy]

what else do you want to know? he was responsible for the no lynch and then took an either/or stand against exalt/paul until willby came out and roleclaimed then finally jumped on board. this post struck me as odd as well since asking questions is generally how you seek out scum. paul has said and done plenty of things to be where he is now, but calling out someone for trying to play the game correctly isnt a good reason.

I had my stuff all typed out on mobile, had not seen your response (to Rodney) yet.

We've got a few more hours til phase change and I'd like to get as many thoughts out there as possible

[Zeebu]

Yeah mido, kind of like what zeebu mentioned this isnt necessarily a scum move, you just need to elaborate. Nothing wrong with not voting paul now since he will be lynched, but it's important that you provide some justification otherwise. If I were in your place, (assuming you are town) i would simply say that my vote doesn't matter anymore but I'd still like to keep the spotlight on whoever, in this case Missa.

Now for my own thoughts: good amount of piggybacking, hard to read on anyone. Interested to hear what zeebu thinks about Voth. Ixt is still on my list for that roleclaim/day 1 shenanigans. It seems like there's a lot of inactive players but I think the truth is a lot of people are on different schedules, so I dont mind the slower phase changes. Only thing that really concerns me about mido is that he seemed to buy Paul's rc, but they are friends and he's new so whatever.

what else do you want to know? he was responsible for the no lynch and then took an either/or stand against exalt/paul until willby came out and roleclaimed then finally jumped on board. this post struck me as odd as well since asking questions is generally how you seek out scum. paul has said and done plenty of things to be where he is now, but calling out someone for trying to play the game correctly isnt a good reason.

[Zeebu]

^ that was to rodney

[WillBy]

Yes I placed a vote in case phase ends soon. From what I gather everyone is voting Paul. What do you want me to do here? Anything I do will look scummy.

Yeah mido, kind of like what zeebu mentioned this isnt necessarily a scum move, you just need to elaborate. Nothing wrong with not voting paul now since he will be lynched, but it's important that you provide some justification otherwise. If I were in your place, (assuming you are town) i would simply say that my vote doesn't matter anymore but I'd still like to keep the spotlight on whoever, in this case Missa.

Now for my own thoughts: good amount of piggybacking, hard to read on anyone. Interested to hear what zeebu thinks about Voth. Ixt is still on my list for that roleclaim/day 1 shenanigans. It seems like there's a lot of inactive players but I think the truth is a lot of people are on different schedules, so I dont mind the slower phase changes. Only thing that really concerns me about mido is that he seemed to buy Paul's rc, but they are friends and he's new so whatever.

[Zeebu]

i'll admit its a bit of a stretch, but he is one of the folks directly responsible for the day 1 no lynch. i was trying to think of other reasons why that could be and for someone like a cult leader it would be the perfect outcome. exalt already gave us the odds why its bad for town, but it would be excellent for a cult. more townies ups the odds of not dying trying to recruit. then i call him wishy washy since he hadnt seemed to commit to any actions until voting paul.